[Question] Setup of wireless routers

[Martinco]

I posted this on Broadband Forum but so far not much success !

Can somebody help.?

I have difficulty in connecting my Routers.

Firstly I have my ADSL router connected ( wired ) to my first AP wireless router and from there I string the wireless routers further into the house . All routers are Canyon N series. I want to setup a WAN and to do this I have put the ISP info into the first AP wireless router and connected the LAN cable to the WAN port on the AP router.?

My question : In order to "string " the routers further into the house I have to enter a new SSID and AP router SSID into each of the following routers and set these to "repeater" mode. Does this mean that router 4 will try to connect direct to AP router or will it connect through router 3 ? And if not......how do I get it to connect through router 3 ?
I find that the signal gets progressively weaker as I connect to routers along the line up to where router 4 will not connect to the WAN.
Also on the PC...........do I put the Gateway as that of the AP router ? And what DNS ?
Should I use the "repeater" function in 2,3 and 4 or the "AP Bridge WDS"

I am totally clueless at this stage.

I hope I have explained this correctly !

[Dave A]

Trying to picture this.... The more I read it, the more I felt that post needed murdock's signature as a disclaimer.

The big question is whether you're trying to set up a WAN or a LAN.

All the devices on a wireless network LAN need to employ the same SSID.

If you really want to set up a WAN, don't use the AP's as repeaters - rather have them set as routers where you have their WAN "modem" set as the particular AP's SSID that you want it to feed off (assuming the hardware accepts a wireless WAN connection - none of mine does, but it's not exactly bleeding edge kit - I have to connect a WAN supply point to a router with DHCP service device by cable).

[Dave A]

I think it might help if you read up on wireless service sets.

[Martinco]

Trying to picture this.... The more I read it, the more I felt that post needed murdock's signature as a disclaimer.

The big question is whether you're trying to set up a WAN or a LAN.

Yep also unsure what I want !!!!

I presently have a LAN as follows: ADSL router, then W/L AP router and 3 W/L routers down line as repeaters. As the signal goes down I goes weaker and have been advised to change to a WAN with the settings on the routers to AP bridge WDS settings but I am unsure how to correctly do the settings on all routers. ( I have to use Mac addresses ) Also I assume that on my PC I have to set the gateway IP same as the first A P Router ? Huh ?
Also a WAN makes more sense to me as I can then connect my cellphone to WAN as well.

[Dave A]

To be honest, I'd cable the connection from the router back to the distant repeater to overcome the signal strength problem. I'd be far happier with that than trying to run a repeater off a repeater. The chances of a dropped packet or packet crash must escalate enormously.

There are little devices that'll do it via your electrical wiring if running the cable is a problem.

Whether you run the AP's as repeaters or seperate routers (effectively individual LAN pockets) is an issue of simplicity ( guess that's why you're struggling )

Think of a WAN as a collection of LANs, a network within a network - and the gateway address is always the part that sets the IP range of the

Gonna have to think about how to explain this.

All you network wizzes out there, jump in any time

[Cathy Duncan]

Well all I know is that through repeater and connection of one-to-one connectivity reduces the efficiency of the whole system and increases packet loss. ANd as every router works for itself then i think you should employ one and use fibre optics...and router 4 will connect only to router 3. Mostly for all the rest i have a fuzzy idea. BTW what was your motive behind stringing together all these routers...what you need is a port.

[Martinco]

Well all I know is that through repeater and connection of one-to-one connectivity reduces the efficiency of the whole system and increases packet loss. ANd as every router works for itself then i think you should employ one and use fibre optics...and router 4 will connect only to router 3. Mostly for all the rest i have a fuzzy idea. BTW what was your motive behind stringing together all these routers...what you need is a port.

Only to extend the distance covered and fibre optic is not an option, must be wireless, but I am solving the problem by installing a high power router that can reach a distance of 20 Kms (Illegal without a license ) but the radio power can be adjusted lower to fall within legal limits. The above obviously at a price !

[Dave A]

but I am solving the problem by installing a high power router that can reach a distance of 20 Kms

Eish! No flies on you

[murdock]

and all this so you can log onto the forum sa

wow dave impressive...did you ever think you would have people go to such extremes to log onto your forum.


wheeeessssh over the top...feels like i had way to many cocktails and they still havent worn off

[Martinco]

and all this so you can log onto the forum sa

wow dave impressive...did you ever think you would have people go to such extremes to log onto your forum.

Well.............trying my best to be an active member but how about a contribution towards this "welding torch" router ? Or maybe protective clothing that I can wear when I am near this monster ?

[Dave A]

how about a contribution towards this "welding torch" router ?

I'm not volunteering, but I am curious as to the cost - and how it deals with the peripherals' signals not being boosted too.

[Martinco]

I'm not volunteering, but I am curious as to the cost - and how it deals with the peripherals' signals not being boosted too.

Dave,

Cost: R1000 to R1200 depending where you source the router.

http://www.engeniustech.com/index.ph...client-bridges Model EOC5611P

It is actually classified as an outdoor directional router and after another look, line of sight can give you up to 30 Kms if you had a similar "client/repeater" router on the other side. To make this work in a normal omni directional environment, I fitted an omni directional external antenna R 350 ( DLink ) to this and can now adjust the signal strength to suit the coverage.
I removed all the other "bridge" routers that I had all over the show and only use this as an AP now.
While I still had the bridge routers connected, I saw no change in the signal coming from them but only a much stronger one from the Engenius
I pick up the LAN on my cellphone up to about 200 meters away from my house and the antenna is still mounted inside my house in the study, so if I move this to inside the roof, I should get even further, but do not need this at all.
Also VERY easy to setup. No complicated settings so even I could do this !!

On the peripherals side, the manufacturer claims that it has a much more sensitive receiver module.

Once I have the whole setup done and Internet running ( something wrong with my adsl router ) I shall let you know the results. But sofar very happy !

[it.cygnet]

Wireless Routers depends on the model and whether it is wired or wireless.To connect one router on your computer,even if the router is a wireless model, connect it to your computer the router through a network cable.Once the connections procedure is complete we can change computer to wireless connections if we want.The you can easily Log on to router and if you want to use router for your internet then Ethernet connection is essential.