The Electrical Certificate of Compliance explained

[Leecatt]

Quite an accurate assessment of the state of the industry.

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[ians]

Quite an accurate assessment of the state of the industry.

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It actually quite clever the way they set up the buyer ...nobody but the buyer actually has to pay out any money for a claim until right at the end after thousands if not hundreds of thousands by the time you are finished with lawyers fees and repair cost...to make it even worse... as soon as the new owner lodges the claim ...his insurance on the property is no longer valid ...so not only could you be sitting on a fire hazard you have no insurance cover...you are screwed from every angle.

How absurd does that even sound ...its crazy.

While on the subject of insurance ...DONT FORGET TO CHECK OUT YOUR COVER FOR LIGHTNING DAMAGE... INSURANCE COMPANIES DO NOT COVER FOR POWER SURGES CAUSED BY THEFT OF NEUTRAL CONDUCTORS OR ANY OTHER SURGES CAUSED BY THE ESKOM. A customer had to pay out over R200 000.00 damages caused to his building due to a fault not caused by lightning (the asseser checked the weather and there was no lightning on that day...they rejected the claim.

So do you think they gona pay out if they get wind that your COC for your property is invalid...think about.

Just like the first thing an assessor checks on your vehicle is your tyres... smooth tyres no claim. ..always make sure your tyres are in road worthy condition prior to contacting the insurance company.

[Sparks]

Which is why I have always maintained that the onbudsman was a better deal. He had the authority to dictate fines and imprisonment for illegal COCs against the contractor. He would do an inspection at the buyers expense and if fault was found he would have an onsight meeting with the contractor who would be given 7days to rectify or else appear in court. Problem solved, end of story. His demise was the beginning of the rot we see in the industry now. Seta accredited COCs would not survive his inspection as it is now. The laziness of the public to do research is also a major contributor to the poor standard of COCs.

[chrishamule@gmail.com]

Good day, l would like an assistant regarding the COC in a block of flat. Say you are a single phase tester, are you allowed to issue a certificate of compliance to one of those flats as the have a single phase db board? To more, the supply cable is from the meter box on the street. Is this prohibited accordingly to DoL?

[GCE]

As long as the point of control is single phase then you may test and issue a COC
In a block of flats the DB in the flat would be regarded as the point of control

[Pieter00]

Hi Sparks, can you please tell me where it is written that Nobody including agents may market a property that does not have a valid (CoC)?

[ians]

Hi Sparks, can you please tell me where it is written that Nobody including agents may market a property that does not have a valid (CoC)?

Please attach the link to the statement.

We all know that is not the case ...in fact you can adjust the sale agreement to sell a property without a COC ...I bought my house without a valid COC... I wouldnt trust anyone to sign over a COC for a property i was purchasing.

[GCE]

Hi
The OHSA stipulates the sale of articles , and a house electrical has a prescribed regulation , so I am led to believe
I am also led to believe that this clause was used to nullify a house sale after the new owners moved in and decided that they did not like the house.

22. Sale of certain articles prohibited
Subject to the provisions of section 10 (4), if any requirement (including any health and safety standard) in respect of any article, substance, plant, machinery or health and safety equipment or for the use or application thereof has been prescribed, no person shall sell or market in any manner whatsoever such article, substance, plant, machinery or health and safety equipment unless it complies with that requirement.

[ians]

Hi
The OHSA stipulates the sale of articles , and a house electrical has a prescribed regulation , so I am led to believe
I am also led to believe that this clause was used to nullify a house sale after the new owners moved in and decided that they did not like the house.

22. Sale of certain articles prohibited
Subject to the provisions of section 10 (4), if any requirement (including any health and safety standard) in respect of any article, substance, plant, machinery or health and safety equipment or for the use or application thereof has been prescribed, no person shall sell or market in any manner whatsoever such article, substance, plant, machinery or health and safety equipment unless it complies with that requirement.

China malls?

Shacks ?

I had to stop the other day and actually drive around a loom of about 50 house wires across the road twisted onto the overhead line...no circuit protection... from there down into the grass and about 200 m across an open piece of ground feeding all the shacks.

How the rules only apply to a selected few

[Pieter00]

Quick question. if i do contract work, what annexure must i complete with the company and how do i keep my GN nr? and how do i do the registration at DOL if i work work more then one company in a year? as it shows a couple companies I've worked for on their system and the ECA said this is going to be a problem but they don't know what i must do to fix it. Each company has to register me as I'm doing COC's under the company name.

[Dave A]

and how do i do the registration at DOL if i work work more then one company in a year? as it shows a couple companies I've worked for on their system and the ECA said this is going to be a problem but they don't know what i must do to fix it. Each company has to register me as I'm doing COC's under the company name.

You can only be registered as a single phase tester / IE / MIE at one contractor at a time.
(And my view is that is exactly the way it should be, frankly).

In terms of process to change, it is something I have had to deal with and it can be a real pain if the previous employer does not come to the party. Babalo wants affidavits from all and sundry, and also wants the previous employer's contractor registration certificate returned / updated.

[Dave A]

How the rules only apply to a selected few

The rules apply to those who have them applied

On the issue of sales being concluded without the seller providing a COC, section 10(4) as referred to by Graham above reads as follows:

Where a person designs, manufactures, imports, sells or supplies an article or substance for or to another person and that other person undertakes in writing to take specified steps sufficient to ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable, that the article or substance will comply with all prescribed requirements and will be safe and without risks to health when properly used, the undertaking shall have the effect of relieving the first- mentioned person from the duty imposed upon him by this section to such an extent as may be reasonable having regard to the terms of the undertaking.

When it comes to property sales, this is useful where there are significant issues with the existing electrical installation and the purchaser intends to do major alterations (making bringing the existing installation up to standard wasteful expenditure). On a practical level, it must be noted that where this is done DOL expects an electrical COC to be issued before anyone occupies the building (or occupation is transferred – with occupation being something different to possession).

[nemangwe]

[There are illegal electrical connections everywhere in Sa Eskom do nothing about. They run across the road from street lights. Water and electricity are human rights so why do we pay VAT on govt owned entities? Certain foods are VAT free but we pay VAT on water and power? Something does not make sense.

[nemangwe]

While we are the subject of things that don't make sense .... a seller needs to provide a valid CoC, valid plans for their house and in some province a bug certificate. HOWEVER, if a bank sells a property, these are things to protect the buyer are not included. The buyer accepts this condition and from my personal experience uses it as an excuse for not providing the required docs 7 years after they bought on auction from a bank. Why are banks exempt from the law? No doubt the conditions of sale are in the small print. If sellers require a CoC to sell property, this should also apply to banks who sell on auction. Rules are rules.

[Pieter00]

Who is Babalo?
So if i attached a letter of service to my Annexure 3 application, can they then remove me from the registration as IE at the company and put me under the new company?