PV green card

[Dylboy]

Its not the amount of water that the the problem, if you give it too much fertilizer you also kill the grass off. Currently we are being over whelmed by the fertilizer being strewn

Very true! I like that analagy. We put in a lot of effort where there is no return but eles where the same effort reaps reruns.

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[Sparks]

My question ... maybe I am out of line with my comments ... please feel free to correct me ... but are all the member of this ass. :

Registered with the department of labour as electrical contractors...

Registered licensed electricians...

With the correct electrical qualifications and years of experience in the electrical industry.

or do you just do a 5 days course and you are a fully compliant installer?

I like the term used in SANS, he must be "competent" as described in the glossary of terms.

[Grumpy Inspector]

As far as I know , and please correct me if I am wrong , Only Installation electricians and Master Electricians are allowed to do a COC on a solar system , an electrical Tester for Single Phase cannot issue such a certificate. The reason being the DC and AC need to be tested , and a Tester for Single Phase does not have the DC qualifications to do it. It also entails the splitting of the AC and DC Circuits and the Solar string installation

Thats all I have to say for now

[Thys LOW Elektries]

Sellers of inverters cover their backs by saying a qualified person must install the system. The rest is not important.
The qualified person is any person that did a course on that product. Currently, there are no DOL-recognized qualifications in South Africa for PV installers.
Currently, my wife can go on a PV course and install PV systems, but the law says she is not allowed to do it, does that make sense?

[Isetech]

You pretty screwed if you buy and install a product like Sunsynk and dont use a Sunsynk approved installer, purchased from a supplier with a service centre, it makes no difference if the installer is an IE or MIE or a ECSA approved engineer, if not a Sunsynk approved installer there no 5 or 10 year warranty.

It's not that simple, if your installer was approved, and now not on the list attached below, your 5/10 year warranty is also no longer valid, you might as well take the warranty and sqaush it into a nice small tight ball and use it wipe backside. There is going to be a lot of very unhappy Sunsynk customers when they check the list and cant find thier installers name on the attached list.

I dont think we are just talking about a few thousand, more like a few hundred thousand, going back to when most installations where done by the DIY community who got the Sunsynk name to where it is now, this the thanks they get from Sunsynk

If you have a Sunsynk product installed on your property, I would suggest you check this list and the name on your warranty document which was emailed to you after it was registered.

https://www.sunsynk.org/approvedinstallers

You would have received a document which looks like this. Check the first 3 line of the document and see if the name on the document is listed on the attachement above. If not, I would suggest you contact your installer and find out who is going to cover the 10 year warranty.

https://www.sunsynk.org/warranty

I do believe Sunsynk have just dropped a pile of installers in the same place you going throw the warranty form.

This is one of the reason I will be moving away from Sunsynk, they have got too big and no longer feel the need to support the little guys or Diyer anymore

I dont know if Deye are going to do the same thing to all the customers who support them, maybe its going to be better to just to go to Victron or one of the other inverter brands and pay the little extra.

Soalr edge is anotehr comany which has a really good name in other parts of the world who are way ahead of us her ein SA.
Thank goodenss for ther drop in load shedding, it has certainly made an impact on the prices stock availablity and the sales. I was chatting to a sales person on Friday, because I noticed ther wasnt a que like there has been for a while, they indicate dthat the sales have dropped from around 10 units per day, to barely 1 a week.

I got the latest rpices from Ellies last week and the 5 kw inverter price have dropped below R20 000, batteries are down around R6000. We were selling 5 kwh batteries for R35/6 000, now they going for less than R28 000 and dropping by the week. It has nothing to do with the exchange rate.

[Derlyn]

Heard from someone at a large wholesaler that they are nipping because they have major orders on the water, on their way here and they cannot move what they presently have in stock, quick enough.

Expect a moerse price war in the coming months with prices dropping rapidly.

[skatingsparks]

I was on the sunsynk approved installers list (ticked all their boxes, and then some, and still got chucked off). Can't be arsed to fill it all in again and wait a few weeks. Don't see how they can't offer a guarantee then move the goal posts and not stand by it?

[Isetech]

What about all the time and effort wasted researching, watching the training videos ( I dont think I have managed to get through a fiull video yet).

Trying to figure out the software/firmware which dont always work, then have to be rolled back, with no reference to what the upgrade has improved or changed.

The lack of formal product training and certification, yet they have a product approval requirement.

An installer approval system, which by the way means nothing, you ask why, because if the installer leaves the company 1 week after getting approval, that company can continue to operate as an registered/approved or even master approved company. Now you think you getitng a mater installer on site, but it could be anyone with limited qualifications.

If you are a smart installer and want to mark a few bucks you offer your service, collect a retainer and make any company approved at your level

I was on the sunsynk approved installers list (ticked all their boxes, and then some, and still got chucked off). Can't be arsed to fill it all in again and wait a few weeks. Don't see how they can't offer a guarantee then move the goal posts and not stand by it?

[Isetech]

I beleive this approval system, the decrerase in demad for installations and the warehouses filled with stock is going to dent their bottom line.

This "we dont sell to the public" BS is another joke, every customer I deal with has an "installer price list", you phone any online seller they ask if you are an installer and you respond yes, your Sunsynk product is in van ready to deliver.

Lets not even go into the pricing, what a joke, the exchange rate hasnt changed, so just imagine how the public have been milked once again.

Anyone know what a Sunsynk 5 kw lands her in SA for, I would gues around R7000 or less ?

To give you an idea of how badly the public and installers have been milked. By the way this is direct to the public. You notice pop ups on your socials with these kind of prices of people trying to unload Sunsynk products.

It has become embarrassing dealing with customers who we have already sold Sunsynk products who got ripped off at R35000 for the same battery and our markup was only 5 %

You know what they say, make hay while the sun shines, boy have Sunsynk and their supplier smade hay out of the struggling SA public.

Lets se eif it works in Autralia, lets hope they not as desperate as the South Africans.

https://www.retailenergy.co.za/products/sunsynk-5kw-hybrid-inverter?variant=45498053787948&currency=ZAR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwloynBhBbEiwAGY25dB04JkWsmKBk6Mjd4b0XAGEzwrlnKXpkMUoTEnDosT2Bdq-lmgv8rxoCe18QAvD_BwE

https://www.retailenergy.co.za/products/sunsynk-battery-5-32kwh?variant=45669629067564&currency=ZAR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwloynBhBbEiwAGY25dH5T6TTh15Xe1Pu_GXwRQG5g9z77kzVYq1RYur04d6df4OeJnKivLxoC9vgQAvD_BwE

[Isetech]

It's crazy how everywhere you are seeing these kind of "sales". As people get use to the low stages of load shedding they realise that maybe wasting R100 000- R150 000 on a system which they might never get any ROI, and the fact that the once the amnesty period is up, the SSEG registration process is going to take off, which by the way, could cost in excess of R20 000 just to apply for the registration, then you goiung to pay a monthly fee on your inverter of at least R126 per kw (12 kw @R125 per kw = R1500 per month), and you thought that R1500 fee was just a rumour, by the way it makes no difference if you feedback into the grids or not.

Even more bad news, it is a council bylaw that your system must be registered and feeding back into the grid without registration is the same as tampering with your meter, chances are you going to be in for a little surprise.

https://www.retailenergy.co.za/products/sunsynk-8kw-hybrid-inverter?pr_prod_strat=use_description&pr_rec_id=3fe4c4957&pr_rec_pid=8450759229740&pr_ref_pid=8414894489900&pr_seq=uniform

[Dylboy]

Yeah this price war is there that is for sure ! 8kw sunsynk was at R45 ex at one point from a supplier that the public can't even go to... Now it's nearly the price of what the 5kw was...

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[Andrew_van_Zyl]

I have noticed people offering solar courses ... one being just over R12000 for a 5 day course.

I havent really done any research ... but it sounds live a move in the right direction or should I say I need to get my butt into gear if I plan to go down this rabbit hole.

Like gas installations ... will you require a separate COC for solar installations ... I would assume that every solar installer with a PV green card would have to be a qualified electrician with either a single phase/installation electrician/master electrician depending on the type of installation and its location.

the owner would require a COC for the electrical .. COC for the gas and COC for the solar and a COC for the electric fence ( have I missed any)

Look at PQRS for training. I recently completed 2 courses. Good solid practical training. P4 qualification

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[Isetech]

At R6600 per course, was it worth it.

What level of electrican do you feel should attend these courses, domestic elctricians with very little experince in the elctrical industry, IE and MIE's?

Look at PQRS for training. I recently completed 2 courses. Good solid practical training. P4 qualification

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[Isetech]

The reason I ask, I deal with people who have completed courses and still asking a lot of questions.

I dont have an issue attending acourse, but I need to find a advanced course which is not going to teach me how to use a screwdriver.

[Andrew_van_Zyl]

At R6600 per course, was it worth it.

What level of electrican do you feel should attend these courses, domestic elctricians with very little experince in the elctrical industry, IE and MIE's?

Anyone new to PV and alternative energy supply. The theory was good for me, the practical I could probably have skipped but rather do both - you don't know what you don't know.

I've seen terrible work done by ie's and mie's and fantastic work by single phase sparks so I don't believe it's linked to qualification level.

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