Stove connections

[Derlyn]

If ever I come across a dedicated plug that's too close to a tap, I'm gonna do the same as what the gas guys are doing

and refuse to issue a coc until the tap has been moved.

[GCE]

Next question.

When we inspect an installation to issue an ELECTRICAL COC, do we not inspect it according to SANS 10142-1 ?
If it conforms to SANS 10142 -1, Municipal bylaws, electrical regulations in OHSA and manufacturer specs, I issue the COC. It's compliant.
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Sans 10142-1 ED3 has had a clause added under 5.2.4 as pasted below - You need to take it into account if there is a gas stove in position



5.2.4 Positioning of equipment
Electrical equipment which, under normal conditions will be
a) exposed to flammable or explosive gas, vapour, dust or liquid, or to
external influences such as direct sunlight, corrosive vapour or oil, or
b) in a hazardous location,
shall be so selected or enclosed that it is protected against harmful effects
or it shall comply with the requirements of an applicable standard (or both).
c) for combined gas and electrical installation, cognisance shall be taken of
the requirement stipulated in SANS 10087-1.

[Derlyn]

Seems like they've now got us by the S & C's. That wasn't the case in 2018.

How many SANS regs other than 10142 - 1 must be taken into account when there's a gas stove in the kitchen.

In this thread alone 10187-1, 10108 and 10087-1 is mentioned.
While we busy with this topic, are there any more ?

I hope each one of the above doesn't cost the same as SANS 10142 -1.

Glad I'm slowly busy winding down. All these regs are getting a bit complicated for this toppie.

[ians]

Seems like they've now got us by the S & C's. That wasn't the case in 2018.

How many SANS regs other than 10142 - 1 must be taken into account when there's a gas stove in the kitchen.

In this thread alone 10187-1, 10108 and 10087-1 is mentioned.
While we busy with this topic, are there any more ?

I hope each one of the above doesn't cost the same as SANS 10142 -1.

Glad I'm slowly busy winding down. All these regs are getting a bit complicated for this toppie.

Thank goodness there is no public awareness ... so nobody really knows what is right and wrong.

There is no policing ... so unless you F%^& up ... chances are very slim that you would get caught ... so al these rules are pretty meaning less until the system actually functions.

The average age of a skilled tradesman is between 50 and 60 ... no long and they will be out the picture.

We cant even get a simple thing like fixing potholes right ... the electrical industry is complex with too many rules and regulations.

This forum doesnt even touch on the tip of the iceberg ... take note of how few responses there to issues or queries ... either this forum doenst get much traffic or people really just dont care ...especially if it mean having to pay more money to fix something that works and has been for 20 years. It seems the attitude.

As we have noticed with the ECA (the hand of safety) ... it seems they cant even get simple things like communication DOL registration right ... imagine technical information regarding regulations ... I suppose an article with wire through circuit breakers for safe isolation and the video on Carte Blanche sums it up

[Dave A]

If ever I come across a dedicated plug that's too close to a tap, I'm gonna do the same as what the gas guys are doing

and refuse to issue a coc until the tap has been moved.

You are not going to quote to move the dedicated socket outlet to a safe distance?

A thought on the 10142-1 Edition 3 update i.r.o. taking cognisance of the gas installation standard - is there a reciprocal clause added to the gas installation standard?

[Derlyn]

Nah. Also gonna start being difficult.😁😁

[Derlyn]

In my opinion you would be creating a Sub DB - The DB would then need to comply and have an isolator , be accessible , comply to the heights for a residential install .

Question. If the stove isolator complies to the correct height and is accessible then would my shroud and 2 breakers idea be acceptable ?

Here in East London we have a suburb, Collondale, where every house has been built with the DB about 20cm below the ceiling. One needs a ladder to access them.
When doing COC's there, we always only relocate the main switch or isolator to a position that's easily accessible and leave the DB where it is. Is this acceptable ?