COC with errors

[Dylboy]

A lot needs to be done but I don't see it ever happening sadly.

I would love it for actual course work for CoC with proper modules and teaching criteria so every spark is at least on the same page and level footing with no interpretation needed.

A baseline ,if you will, needs to be created.



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[skatingsparks]

What blows my mind is the fact that we live in a digital world yet we still issue hand scribbled COC's full of errors (much like my posts )

There is a digital version for ECA members. Great if you do, say, a block of flats where you need a test report for every flat DB. Also, and i think all coc's should be, its stored online. Once you complete the coc, you can check if you missed anything or made errors (print a water marked sample or scroll through on screen) before you lock it (then you can't change it) and issue it. They should all be like that - stored on line - no lost bits of paper if something goes wrong.

Also customer can be sent the water marked version that doesn't have you signature on it to show its been done - get your payment before you unlock and issue to a customer.

This would stop yellow bits of paper being passed to people who shouldn't have them. Dodgey guys selling blank coc's to there mates.
Its not like anyone tracks the numbers on top of the yellow paper coc's is it. If its online - its your account, you are accountable.

So, yes, it should all be online. If you have guys saying can't afford a lap top or tablet to do this - well what kind of company are they running - probably can't afford proper testing gear.

If people do coc's properly then there should be no objection to there being a permanent saved copy.

[skatingsparks]

Another thing is the way testing is taught. In the uk its a seperate couse (and a whole seperate job), 5 days when i did it. It is not easy and it is very strict. If you do anything in the practical wrong - fail.
Its like a driving test. The written paper is very involved

Here, when i did the unit standards, i was sat in a room with people who looked like they didn't know why they were even told to go there. Not one had a clue what they were doing (i mean really no idea), about what they were testing for and why a test was done.
You pay a couple of grand and you got your unit standards.

The 'do portfolio of tests you have done along side a licensed electrician" method is joke. Could not for the life of me find anyone who actually tested, let alone let me "work along side them" to do a portfolio. Besides those "portfolio's" were stacked 10 high and i don't know how deep at the ECA when i went to try and sort mine out.

Also they way you are taught to test. In the units standards course i was told to Test earth continuity of a circuit with a wander lead? And that was the only method - Seriously? If you are in a, for example 20000 square meter ware house, please don't tell me going around with a long wonder lead to test earth continuity is the way to go. The UK tests R1+R2. Link live and earth at one end and test at the other.

12 years ago it was hard to find a place to do unit standards for testing. Now i have places pop up on my facebook everyday. Pay, pass and off you go. Hardest part of the procedure is getting the 6 grand to do it.

[Isetech]

That's why the online process would be the best route, there will be record of the COC for anyone working on the property.

For example, I am working on a project up North, I should be able to type in the address or GPS coordinates, log into the COC data base and view any Test reports, COC's or supplementary COC's issued for the property in the past 5 years. If there is no record of a COC, then the customer would be advised and a test report would be required for the property within 6 months, or by the time my project is complete.

You would have access to the COC data based on your skill level, for example, a single phase tester would have access to level 1, an installation electrician would have access to level 2 and so forth. So if I have an issue on site, for example the one up north, I could link a refence number and anyone with level 2 access would be able to view the issues I am experiencing with the contractor/inspector.

This way the DOL could either send their staff for training so that they have people who a suitably skilled and experienced to carry out random checks on COC's, OR they could contract suitably trained inspectors to do random checks.

Then most important, 3 strikes and you are suspended for 6 months, strike 4 your license should should be suspended and you should have to start the whole application again from the start.

It would resolve the issue with inspectors being being bullied by companies to produce X amount of COC's per day, customers with the " I dont have funds to fix my property" and other issues we face on a daily basis.

The only reason the industry is so messed up, we all know that its a numbers game and the chance that you will get caught is so unlikely that it is worth taking a chance.





This could become a reality, it is just putting the right person in the position.

[Alfred M]

I agree my wife is a Biochemists at a pharmaceutical company and she issues 10 to 15 COA's per day (certificate of analysis) and it is digitised using SAP anyone with correct clearance can access the certificate of analysis and test methods used anywhere in SA. There is no room for error as the parameters is set for specific test so any error on coa is flagged by the system. Surely COC also being a legal and important document can follow this route but sadly in the electrical industry it is seemingly not as important. The complete approach, effectiveness and legality needs a complete overhaul in the electrical industry

[Isetech]

I agree my wife is a Biochemists at a pharmaceutical company and she issues 10 to 15 COA's per day (certificate of analysis) and it is digitised using SAP anyone with correct clearance can access the certificate of analysis and test methods used anywhere in SA. There is no room for error as the parameters is set for specific test so any error on coa is flagged by the system. Surely COC also being a legal and important document can follow this route but sadly in the electrical industry it is seemingly not as important. The complete approach, effectiveness and legality needs a complete overhaul in the electrical industry

Thank goodness electricity is not dangerous.

[Alfred M]

Thank goodness electricity is not dangerous.

Yep exactly my point!!!!

[Dylboy]

Also the online one will stop the race to the bottom and we have a true price of a CoC and get the respect it deserves

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