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These fly by night "electricians should be exposed for who and what they are Frauds, Crooks no one ore organisation is going to name and shame them maybe we should start something get something off the ground I mean ten to one they are probably dont know what they are doing.
Seriously guys, if you look at the card, it's got no hidden "thumb" prints, you can make it in 10 minutes if you've got some plastic, yellow paper, a computer, laminator, a photo and a computer
IJS Installations
Electrical, Residential Gas and Electric fencing.
I think he's joking, you can get this for way under a grand if you shop around.
he he. Aint that the truth. And it sooo easy to duplicate the reg. card, and even the ecb card (red yellow and blue) on a good printer, like Jacques said.
The thing is, you actually can bribe someone to enter your details on the database and then you are legal! To be frank, the dol lost a lot of data/backup/paperwork since 1994, and that is a fact. A friend of mine, wrote his exams in 1986, registered for a year as an IE, then decided on a different career. When he tried to register last year at the ecb, they informed him his yellow card is not valid! The DOL confirmed this. After a short court case held in Germiston the dol reinstated his IE status, with costs.
Mr JJ, please note the smiley insert at my post, it was a cheap shot at how easily you can get a reg. card.
apologies... that was a cheap shot at our super efficient dol...
Originally posted by Jacques#1
That sounds great.......except, I've been involved in two cases so far that I was requested to do a COC after one has been issued by another electrician. In both cases I was unaware that there has been a test conducted. In both cases the previous electrician was in and out in 20 minutes, did not even open a single box, and......in both cases the laywers persuing electricians, after I gave the owners a list of faults (all genuine faults.
... Luckily I listed every clause in the SANS book next to each fault, so there is no arguiing later on.
... they use forensic experts, commision investigation teams and before you know it you are attacked by 20 corporate laywers with unlimited funds.......
Not for me thanks.......
I humbly ask for another perspective on this: And this is an issue which surfaces at each and every DOL Dispute Evaluation we conduct: The CoC which was issued: Was it for an "existing installation" or an "existing with alterations" or a "new installation" ?
And please do bear with me, so far we have a premilary verdict/conclusion (with an expensive written report from a very expensive advocate), that it does matter (See EIR 2009 subclause 9.2 b and c).
We have, successfully, submitted Official Disputes at the DOL (Based on GEIA Inspection reports), where installations were incorrectly evaluated as "new" and/or "new with effected alterations", where, in fact, they were "existing installations" which can only be, by law, evaluated under clause 9.2 (b): Existing Installations. (Even the 20 corparate lawyers can only act within the framework of the promulgated regulations.)
So what I am really asking is this, the "listed every clause", was it done in accordance to eir2009 9.2 (b)? Which states, for an existing installation, clause/chapter 5 only of sans 10142 (bible)? Because if clauses outside the scope of clause 5 were quoted (for an existing installation), then it could be very misleading to the consumer, who has to foot the bill. Not to mention outside the scope of the law, which has more serious complications.
And this is where the Consumers Protection Act comes in. The consumer is protected, by law, in situations like this, where they are, for one, knowingly, and purposely, being misled by certain entities, who tries to twist and turn the law in order to make "legal" money out of an already financially drowning consumer.
Anyway, it is just a thought. If I am out of line I sincerely apologise.
ps. our official website will be publised widely (no, not eric, no, not ecb, no, not aia, no, not eia or aie or eab or arab emirates, or eca) asap as soon as all legalities are finalised.
ps. the size of the balls are limited by law. EOS.
The house was built in unknown, so assume post 1992. Also, they renovated extensively throughout the house, and determining pre/post is impossible. Finally, this was for a transfer of sale, no contractors was on site to confirm/dispute timelines, so post 100% SANS law compliance was assumed.
In addition to this, the faults I found doing an extensive "no halve arsed excuse for a test" COC was a voltage on light switch covers (leakage from some source....which my fluke 1653 picks up), looping boxes used outside with an attempt to make them IP65 with silicone, an Earth leakage tripping at 9mA etc.
If I say a house is safe, its safe, yes I may have missed something, but I got 99.999999% of the rest.
If someone wants to complain about an overcharge vs. another because another guy hid behind 1001 laws and plainly just didn't do his job which he was trained to do, only to make a quick buck, then let them. I will sleep well tonight because I know my clients are safe .
IJS Installations
Electrical, Residential Gas and Electric fencing.
That is exactly what the client wants and expects to get. Good for you. As for the age, when doing a COC for a transfer, I will indicate if the "original" installation is pre 1992 but under the description I will say the COC covers the entire existing installation, as indicated in section 3. I am certifying an existing installation. When I personally alter an installation I will make such a comment but then the details are under the heading "New/Altered/Temporary installation.
i had two question papers, each a week apart, I am stuck in a town called umtata, so there is no classes and no people to ask for help, so i phoned college in pe and the lecturer there said it might be a typo cause there is no optional questions, all of them has to be done..... oh well next block i try again and again and eventually i shall succeed. Thanks for a kick ass forum, kinda cool to know i can come here to ask questions and get a honest reply!!
Hi Gei, i'm looking to do my Wiremans License, do you have some Exam Papers i could go through and get an Idea on the type of questions..?
I am in the process of looking to do my wiremans, the only problem is that I live far from any FET college, and travel a lot for work.
I have the registration papers from technisa to do the course via correspondance.
Has anyone else done this course through them?
Do they provide enough study material, examples, old test papers etc etc.
I started with my wiremans a long time ago (7 years) and bailed out halfway, I am concerned that it will be much more difficult to pass doing it correspondance, and it is already a difficult subject.
Dont know if the same rules still apply, but you can enrol at any college, and simply go write the exam. You have to get more than 50% pass on both papers.
Most electricians doing the course never actually attend. I remember that I was doing standby and working on breakdowns up to 10pm most nights, and did not get the oppertunity to attend a single class.
Attending does help (did attend a few classes the third time I wrote ) but you basically need to know the SANS 10142 book backwards, and you will pass.
IJS Installations
Electrical, Residential Gas and Electric fencing.
When I forst did the course, I did it night classes, I had the same problem with shift work interfering, in those days you had to have a minimum attendance to classes to be able to write the exam.
I wrote the exam in 94 and back then it was difficult I did attend night lectures at a technical college and found that it did help me in the preperation for the exam it is not an easy subject and one has to know the code virtually by heart.I say start slowly and methodically get to know the definitions that was worth 30% in the first paper then get to know sections 6 and 7 once you understand those you could work on the calculations volt drop,cable selection,estimation of loads,etc. Basically the first paper is covered in section 6 and the second by section 7 get to know those sections and you should be on your way to passing
you can write your exam on installation rules(new word for wiremans) without N3 and become a Single Phase installer, with N3 you can become a 3 phase installer, to become master you need N6 with 5 years post trade experienc.
writing exam can only be done at selected locations, but I would sugest to get the right info is to contact your nearest ECB
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