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  • greasemonkey
    Full Member

    • Apr 2010
    • 59

    #16
    Eish! Talk about not seeing the obvious, thanx for the heads up!
    Iwas so engrossed in this whole issue that it slipped me entirely that I have legal recourse
    for myself as well.Guess I have a lot of homework this weekend.

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    • Sparks
      Gold Member

      • Dec 2009
      • 909

      #17
      Good for you. And don't be surprised if you get begged to come back. They not only fired you illegally, it was done because you refused to break the law. The state of the workplace will also become public and they might just be forced to close their doors. Seems to me you could be in for finacial incentive to do the right thing again. Well done.

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      • Dave A
        Site Caretaker

        • May 2006
        • 22810

        #18
        As long as your technical case is strong (the installation is not compliant), it should be pretty simple. At this stage just download the dispute forms on the website, fill them in and send them off.

        You can't be dismissed for doing your job, and them requiring you to issue a COC or face dismissal on an installation that isn't up to standard is unreasonable.

        Consider it part of the negotiating process on the issue. As you are in the notice period, the decision to dismiss is easily reversable - there doesn't need to be any losers.
        Participation is voluntary.

        Alcocks Electrical Services | Alcocks Pest Control & Entomological Services | Alcocks Hygiene Services

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        • greasemonkey
          Full Member

          • Apr 2010
          • 59

          #19
          Quick update, The powers that be have got nasty and tried and force the issue . I am now on my way to submit the necessary paperwork against the factory.
          Negotiation is not an alternative as the simple issue of trust is non existent.
          Technically my case is very strong.I have a list of faults I will post later that are all "bulletproof" evidence.
          Will keep you all updated.

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          • Dave A
            Site Caretaker

            • May 2006
            • 22810

            #20
            I'm truly sorry to hear this. It sounds like positions are hardening.

            I'd get to mediation and (if needed) arbitration as quickly as possible to prevent further escalation. It sounds like you've got a strong case and you might not see the need for urgent action - but there are bridges burning and letting them burn is never a good thing.
            Participation is voluntary.

            Alcocks Electrical Services | Alcocks Pest Control & Entomological Services | Alcocks Hygiene Services

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            • AndyD
              Diamond Member

              • Jan 2010
              • 4946

              #21
              I'm also disappointed to hear that the company stance is to put their immediate wants above safety of employees and to shun legislation. I'm sorry to hear that you're in this position but I don't see anything you could have reasonably done differently.
              From the info you've given, the law will in all likelyhood find in your favour on all aspects of the dispute but that doesn't mean you won't get a hard time until judgement is passed or an arbitration ruling is made. Unfortunately, and from what you have said through no fault of your own, you're in a position where you'll have to be proactive and keep moving forward to see this matter to a conclusion.

              Good luck.
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              • AndyD
                Diamond Member

                • Jan 2010
                • 4946

                #22
                *Bump*
                Any news....hopefully good news greasemonkey?
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                • greasemonkey
                  Full Member

                  • Apr 2010
                  • 59

                  #23
                  So far no news, I have a lawyer handling the dismissal. Still in progress
                  The other electrician tucked his tail and ran when he heard of the dispute.They now have a quote of R250 000 to repair the factory.I have not handed the dispute forms in yet,I was waiting for the COC from the other electrician.Will probably do it monday

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                  • Sparks
                    Gold Member

                    • Dec 2009
                    • 909

                    #24
                    It is a pity this does not get more publicity. Maybe you should send something to "Special Assignment" so that the public can become aware of the dangers of not having respect for electricity. They might just wake up and stop trusting the COCs' supplied by estate agents which were paid for with bottles of whisky.
                    For standing your ground you certainly deserve a holiday compliments of UIF.

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                    • greasemonkey
                      Full Member

                      • Apr 2010
                      • 59

                      #25
                      Thx
                      I have been contacted by the DOL (via the lawyer) so things are happening.
                      Heres some more to chew on
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                      The first pic is the main incomer and db.I had to climb through a broken window to get to it! Needless to say, I broke a hole in the wall to access it.
                      The second pic is showing the incoming cable - no breaker/isolator or even fuses just straight onto the busbars.the other end is in the municipal sub
                      Third pic is the DB attached to this mess
                      Fourth pic is a DB that is completely packed in
                      Fifth pic is a 150 amp cb tied on with wire ,check the condition and size of wires in general.

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                      • murdock
                        Suspended

                        • Oct 2007
                        • 2346

                        #26
                        if there is an investigation and lawyers involved...be careful what you post on a public forum.

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                        • greasemonkey
                          Full Member

                          • Apr 2010
                          • 59

                          #27
                          Originally posted by murdock
                          if there is an investigation and lawyers involved...be careful what you post on a public forum.
                          I have been at pains to not mention names or places.As for pictures ....

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                          • Sparks
                            Gold Member

                            • Dec 2009
                            • 909

                            #28
                            Yes, you need to be cautious, but as you say, you have not mentioned names. The pictures could serve to enlighten someone though. Hopefully the DOL as to the state of the industry. I am certain this is not the only installation that looks like this. After the announcement that old age homes would be inspected I have not heard of one being inspected. I have however been commissioned to do one here in PE. Hopefully someone else will also take the initiative and enlighten another home as to the legal requirements and consequences of non-compliance. I just took a peak in one roofspace armed with a camera and the evidence along with a nice proposal has provided me with a good commission. You are definately setting a fine example to aspiring electricians. Your refusal to issue a COC is totally correct. Reporting it is also correct. I have no doubt that the setup there could have cost a life at some point in time had you kept quiet.

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                            • AndyD
                              Diamond Member

                              • Jan 2010
                              • 4946

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Sparks
                              Your refusal to issue a COC is totally correct. Reporting it is also correct. I have no doubt that the setup there could have cost a life at some point in time had you kept quiet.
                              Anyone who issues a COC it that place should do jail time.

                              I still feel disappointment that your situation has progressed to the point where it is, I don't see how even a layman can't see that the installation is dangerous. I think there's also some onus on the supply authority to disconnect the supply to premises such as this one if the installation is condemned by a licensed electrician and there is no action to remedy the faults from their side.

                              I empathize with your position, you need to work to pay your bills etc but there's also a moral obligation to the job you do.
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                              • daveob
                                Email problem

                                • Feb 2008
                                • 655

                                #30
                                Originally posted by AndyD
                                I think there's also some onus on the supply authority to disconnect the supply to premises such as this one if the installation is condemned by a licensed electrician and there is no action to remedy the faults from their side.
                                Well, maybe that idea should be encouraged. How about a system whereby an electrician can report a seriously unsafe situation, and it gets examined by the local authority within, say, 48 hours. If in the opinion of the inspector, it's deemed dangerous, the mains supply gets cut - immediately - until a valid and complete coc is received and re-inspection by the local authority.

                                I think that a business faced with a total shutdown would seriously look into getting their stuff back up to spec before it happened.
                                Watching the ships passing by.

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