Bargaining council

[Dave A]

I think all we need look for here is to be treated in accordance with the law (rather than according to some bad habits).

My previous round was about the leave pay clause - my argument was that non-parties received prejudicial treatment in terms of the rules. Accordingly the agreement cannot lawfully be extended to non-parties. It never even got to arbitration; I just got left alone for a while. But now I notice they have changed the central agreement so that the leave pay clause is no longer prejudicial to non-parties.

I've got to admit I'm feeling frustrated on two fronts -
1. That no-one has ever challenged this sort of issue before, and
2. The ease with which they can overcome these challenges.

I feel like you can win battles, but ultimately you can't win the war.
At least not as an individual.

[mazia]

Sofware

What is the sofware you are using?

Well done Murdock, an old tactic before the smart bombs was to cut off supply to weaken the enemy before launching an attack.

That having been said in our company we do many facits of works and electrical only accounts for 60% of our revenue, the bargaining council gets a return on 100%.

Please keep us informed as to whether you actually get this right. Luckily we have just purchased software to run the service and installation side that can track each individual task and can group those tasks into catagories like, electrical, mechanical, civil.

I can't wait to tackle the BC on this.

Dave, we had actually joined the ECA last year so I re-routed my woes through them. I questioned the 50+% registration and the between the line reply was that this achieved through ECA membership alone (there is definately strength in numbers). I was asked to stand off till after the next council meeting where the ECA would appeal the council decision.

I'll keep the forum updated on new developments...

[Gerald]

Hi Mazia,

The software we are using is Pioneer Startech, their website is http://www.PioneerInteractive.com

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Bargaining Council-Again

Went and checked up - sorry guys, as at 30 July 2008 the Main agreement became binding on all parties. Sorry!! Many are against this, and I suppose it is an argument that can rage on for ever.

[BBBEE_CompSpec]

I must admit here, I cannot agree with you more. The worst is that the Bargaining Council and Energy Seta cannot agree on anything. Not only are you being taken as a business but your appys and learners never know where they stand.

I recently fell foul between an Electrical company, The ESETA, The Electrical Bargaining Council and three learners. We have not solved the problem till today and that took place two years ago. And that was in the Eastern Cape. So I can deduce its the whole country. You will find in my latest book "The S M E Human Resources/Industrial Relations Toolkit" I will never promote the ESETA or Electrical Bargaining Council. I will cover every other aspect of Labour Law and its entities.

You have my condolences on this one. Sorry.

[BBBEE_CompSpec]

There is an Objection process regardless. You stand together and you can bring objection. The stronger your case the more you will gain.

[BBBEE_CompSpec]

The National Road Freight Industry Bargaining Council was brought in line with its stake holders by them objecting to their rules. What is wrong with you guys. Stand together. How do you think Vavi wins the war between the Employers and the Unions. You need similar tactics. Remember the Bargaining Councils were brought into being by The Department of Labour as were the Unions. Find a way to fight and win. I will gladly do the research for you guys. I have to research the books I write and they have been many.

[murdock]

because i am not always doing electrical work i decided to deregister...so now i find out they have changed the rules...to their benefit...if the employee works for even a short period of time in a week doing electrical work you now have to be registered...this is gona be interesting sitting working out the time worked in the electrical field and not.

[murdock]

something else which came up during the discussion was the fact that i use sub crontractors...if the subbies are not registered i become liable for outstanding levies...this could get really interesting.

[BBBEE_CompSpec]

You can overcome this problem very easily. You need to see me.

[Trucker]

The National Road Freight Industry Bargaining Council was brought in line with its stake holders by them objecting to their rules. What is wrong with you guys. Stand together. How do you think Vavi wins the war between the Employers and the Unions. You need similar tactics. Remember the Bargaining Councils were brought into being by The Department of Labour as were the Unions. Find a way to fight and win. I will gladly do the research for you guys. I have to research the books I write and they have been many.

Would like to know what is the rules. I am subcontractor in Transport and forced to join them, none of my 2 employees are members of any union why do I have to join and pay levies that I really cannot afford as it is. I am so tired that everybody wants money and you have to pay for services that you don`t really need.

[BBBEE_CompSpec]

I have had the privilege of removing many a small contractor from this Bargaining Council. If you need assistance I will gladly come through to Benoni and assist you.

[murdock]

the eca is collecting money throught them as well...so they seem to have the eca backing.

[Dave A]

Right on the money, Murdock!

[Trucker]

I have had the privilege of removing many a small contractor from this Bargaining Council. If you need assistance I will gladly come through to Benoni and assist you.

Thanks I will contact you if they keep harassing me. Did`nt join them as yet.