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  • Justloadit
    Diamond Member

    • Nov 2010
    • 3518

    #16
    All the electronic stuff put together excluding heaters and pumps would draw somewhere under a one Kwatt hour, so there you have already 6Kwatts, so another 500watts an hour used somewhere.

    Get yourself an OWL -to monitor in real time your consumption. You can then switch circuit breakers off to see what is actually consuming the power.
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    • mother
      Email problem

      • Jul 2011
      • 333

      #17
      Oh goodie! I like checklists! Thanks Andy.

      Originally posted by AndyD
      I'm guessing you mean 9 kWh.

      Heating (under floor, panel heaters etc) - None
      Geyser element - I suppose yes
      Geyser timer clock - I suppose yes
      Cellphone and laptop chargers - None plugged in
      Cordless house phone system - No
      Server - No
      PC's / computers running - Switched off
      Any external USB devices plugged into a computer - No
      Hi-Fi, DVD player, TV, stove, microwave etc on standby - Switched off, not on standby
      Satellite decoder - On standby
      Analogue TV mast amplifier - erm, what?
      House alarm/fire system - None
      Electric fence - None
      Motorized gate battery charger - None
      Motorized garage door battery charger - None
      Ceiling fans - Definitely off
      Bedroom toys - hehehehe all off
      Pool pump / chlorinator / pool light / pool timer clock - None
      Irrigation controller / battery charger / Tank liquid level sensing equip - None
      Porch lighting, boundary lighting, security lighting - All off
      Electric blanket - None
      Radio alarm clock - None
      Plug-in mosquito repeller - None
      ADSL router / switch - Ok this was on
      Fridge & Freezer both on
      are a few hings that spring to mind immediately.
      I guess I'll have to invest in that bird then...

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      • Sparks
        Gold Member

        • Dec 2009
        • 909

        #18
        7-9kWh is what mine is on average: 2 geysers; 3TVs' on standby; 1TV on; PC on standby; router on and about 200W lighting all night.
        My average cost pm is about R450-R600 depending on how much we use the 2 ovens. Having a gas hob does help. The washing machine, huge automatic, runs nearly every day as here is a two-year old.

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        • AndyD
          Diamond Member

          • Jan 2010
          • 4946

          #19
          Originally posted by mother
          .....nothing ridiculous or leaking.
          This got me thinking how much the earth leakage of your electrical installation could cost you.

          If your earth leakage is 30mA and your breaker is just hanging in then
          30/1000x220
          gives you a 6.6 watt load
          6.6/1000 = 0.0066kW times 744 hours in a month = 4.91 units of electricity (kWh)
          So your earth leakage fault current could cost you up to about R6.00/ month depending on your tariff.

          Sorry, not very relevant, I was just bored
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          • bergie
            Email problem

            • Sep 2010
            • 308

            #20
            what about stuff thats not connected to earth leakage relay.geyser?could be quite relevant.

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            • Dave A
              Site Caretaker

              • May 2006
              • 22810

              #21
              Originally posted by mother
              Thermostat was on 60, I now turned it down to 50 (lets see if it helps).
              I wouldn't set it below 60 degrees C for water quality/health reasons. Just as with food, there are nasties that can breed in warm water and it takes temperature to kill them. 60 degrees is as low as you should go.
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              • AndyD
                Diamond Member

                • Jan 2010
                • 4946

                #22
                Is this an official recommendation? I've seen many geysers set below 60°C and there seems to be a trend of people setting them as low as possible to save on power.
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                • Martinco
                  Gold Member

                  • Oct 2008
                  • 927

                  #23
                  I have an add-on solar heating system and it is programmed automatically to once a week take the temperature to 75 degrees to "kill off the bugs "
                  So there is merit in what Dave says.
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                  • Justloadit
                    Diamond Member

                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3518

                    #24
                    I am sure we have had a discussion about this before, but I can not find it now. The main culprit is Legionella
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                    • mother
                      Email problem

                      • Jul 2011
                      • 333

                      #25
                      Aw man! In other words, turn that thermostat back up to 60, and never ever get into a jacuzi / hot water spring / heated pool again ...

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                      • Sparks
                        Gold Member

                        • Dec 2009
                        • 909

                        #26
                        That is actually interesting Dave, I thought the "leaking" was referring to water. But since you mention it, I once had the problem of a high electricity bill and on investigation found a few electrical leaks where T&E had been stripped. There was a constant leakage the current of which I do not recall. Good things tong testers. After fixing it the bill was still high, although reduced. I could not fathom it out untill the plumber who called me in on the job mentioned in passing that he was baffled as to why the waterpipes were hot at the back of the building despite the fact that the geyser was not set high. The joints in the cavity were leaking water. That obviously kept the thermostat going.

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                        • murdock
                          Suspended

                          • Oct 2007
                          • 2346

                          #27
                          i connected a geyser yesterday and noticed it had something interesting on the label...leakage current over a 24 hour period.
                          Last edited by Dave A; 14-Jul-11, 10:49 AM.

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                          • AndyD
                            Diamond Member

                            • Jan 2010
                            • 4946

                            #28
                            Originally posted by murdock
                            i connected a geyser yesterday and noticed it had something interesting on the label...leakage current over a 24 hour period.
                            I don't understand your post which I suspect was Mod edited. Please explain.
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                            • murdock
                              Suspended

                              • Oct 2007
                              • 2346

                              #29


                              on the green label in has what i think states standing loss/24hr ...2.16 kwh...i am not sure what this means.

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                              • Greg
                                Full Member
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 33

                                #30
                                I think that refers to the heat loss over a 24Hr period if no water is used.(In other words the power it would require to get it back to the temperature it was set at.)

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