ECB and the idiots from the "AIA"

[Sparks]

I still maintain that the Onbudsman was working very well. Complaints were investigated expeditiously and the contractor delivering illegal work was taken to task within days. There was no red tape and he had the clout to have stiff fines imposed and even imprisonment where justified. Like the rest of SA a good working system has been dumped for nothing in return. The only way I see forward is to go backward and re-instate the onbudsman. Now that would get our industry cleaned up quickly. Especially if he is proclaimed to the public as the policeman.

[Adam Mashinini]

Adam, you are a sad and misguided individual. I am indeed flattered that your perception of my powers is so great that I occupy so much of your waking day (and maybe much of your unconcious day). In reviewing your input to this forum, I hope some time to see just one positive contribution from you. I can only presume that your absolute hatred for me stems from the fact that you may be one of the rats and mice that many contractors complain about, and indeed have been the subject of an investigation by me. I certainly cannot remember meeting you personally at any stage but would suggest for your own sanity that you come out of the protection of your cyber world and come and have a cup of coffee with me - lay it all out there man - you'll feel better. It always concerns me when contentious issues manifest themselves, that the trend seems to "play the man and not the ball" Come now Adam - you can do it!! "There are none so blind as those who will not see!!"

Last reply to mark palmer, i am wasting my bosses time: You will be surprised to know who I work for and HOW close i am to you. Your "inspections" does not concern our company directly since you are not allowed on our sites and your "inspections" is not worth the paper it is puked on.

I am not hiding, if you pull your head out of your ass you will know the various contractors, Dept of Labour and their staff (or rats and mice as you call it), so start networking. My name is Adam Mashinini.

The day I will have coffee (or anything else for that matter) with you is day they arrest my ass, so thank you but no thank you.

The protection the cyberworld offers me is from hypocrites like you, who abuse power and legislation to further your own murky agendas. The protection is for my company, not for me personally. We are well aware of your bullying and scare tactics which can damage our reputation.

Your post says a lot of who you are. Your despotic nature and misguided "authority" is a poor attempt to divert the issue.

You never denied my claim that you (geia) aimed to be judge jury and executioner for the electrical industry. Why else do want the ecb's function (and others) so desperately? You practically begged for it, remember?

Thank you and good riddance.

[AndyD]

Last reply to mark palmer.....

I think your opinion of Mark is very clear but why let emotions get in the way of a great opportunity to debate the issues constructively.

[Martinco]

I think your opinion of Mark is very clear but why let emotions get in the way of a great opportunity to debate the issues constructively.

I am with Andy.................play the ball and not the man.

Thus far this forum has been clean and tidy and making rude comments about a person does not belong here !

Let's keep it clean .

[Adam Mashinini]

I am with Andy.................play the ball and not the man.

Thus far this forum has been clean and tidy and making rude comments about a person does not belong here !

Let's keep it clean .

I agree, insinuating that I am a rat or 'n mice is insulting. Mocking me with "you can do it" implies that I am inferior, something I have to deal with every day, especially from racists. What's new.

But of course it is not seen that way. I understand. sorry baas.

The problem here is, unfortunately, the man, and not the ball. the geia is, in principle, a good idea, but unfortunately "the man" is steering it towards a one party state, where the end aim is to control who will have a job and who not. This has happenned numerous time and it was not the ball, it was the man who dribbles the ball.

[Martinco]

I understand. sorry baas.

Totally uncalled for !

[Greg]

These are shark infested waters.

From experience, not me personally, the AIA, are not the angels they make themselves out to be.

It's the way they go about their business that gets contractors backs out of place.

The AIA's can't touch the guys that are not registered with anything.

You guys expect contractors to roll over and die with fear when you roll onto site.

You guys make up your own regulations to suite your view points.

I have seen before where you guys were on site riding a particular contractor. On this occasion your little inspector was addimant that the geyser needed an isolator next to it. Your inspector said this applied to all the geysers in this small block of apartments. The contractor replied well what would you like me to connect the isolators to on the gas geysers. After 20 minutes of trying to get this through to him the contractor gave up.

I have also seen how the AIA seem to develop a vendetta with contractors that seem to get the better of them on site.

I have also seen with a particular coc where the AIA got involved and the contractor would not back down. After some time the new owner called the contractor to say he had gotten a quote to have the work corrected as per the AIA faults. Lone behold when he faxed the quote through and it was from a company and the contact persons name was Norman Palmer.

So I trust the AIA as far as I can throw them.

I am not condoning illegal work. But it is my opinion that the ECA should deal with this. The ECA also need to wake up and take control.

[NTS2011]

I have seen a letter on Friday, issued by the DoL at a recent seminar that they will be taking over registration.We should very soon receive a statement from them to this affect.

[Dave A]

But it is my opinion that the ECA should deal with this. The ECA also need to wake up and take control.

Like they did a good job when they were calling the shots via the ECB?
My experience was how the regs were interpreted back then depended on who the contractor concerned was

No, unfortunately you can't have the industry association doing the regulation either.

There has to be a situation where there are no conflicting priorities in any of the parties.

The Association acts in the interests of the members.
The regulator's main goal is to ensure compliance to regulations (and penalising/closing down contractors is very much a last resort).
The contractor delivers a compliant product for a reasonable return.
And the standards are built on a logical, consistent platform with safety as the top priority.

[MGM]

And so.....what happened?

[ericlowry]

Hi all, can someone clarify the qualifications requirements of an AIA since we only seem to hear from A Palmer.I would also like to ask the AIA about when they actually did any electrical installation work, just asking.

[mikilianis]

Hi just asking if there is an AIA in Cape Town if so let me have the details
Thanking You All

[Sparks]

Why bother? The case against JP Bornman of Volta Electrical has been on the Prosecutor's desk for almost a year! At that time it was the first and only case submitted by the DOL.