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[GCE]

Would a welder or any other appliance plugged in require a COC? The difference is whether or not it is a permanent fixture or portable appliance. A removable plug is also an acceptable "isolation device" for part/s of an installation. .

6.16.1.5 and 6.16.1.10 shut down the statement above

As for feeding back to the grid, not worth the red tape nor expense

Feeding back to the grid is well worth the effort and expense - I have been doing so since 2014 , legally registered with the Municipality .

Besides once you install PV panels under NERSA and Bylaws of the municipalities you have to register the system and will more than likely be put onto an SSEG tariff

Port Elizabeth tariffs are very favorable and probable the best deal in the country

[Isetech]

This is the part that has become a challenge with property sales. We had an incident where an electrician had sigend off a COC, excluded the outbuilding and wiring, because it was plugged into a socket outlet in the kitchen. He argued that it was not part of the electrical installation, we argured that it was a fixture and had to stay. Because the lights and socket outlets were attached to the building, and all the extension cords were clipped to the wall, mad eit a fixture. The lights and sockets were working on the open day when the property was viewed.

Installing sockets like this could become quite a challenge, especially if there is nothing attached to the property. If you mount the backup system to the wall, be it a generator or inverter, I beleive it would create a discussion, however if it is a mobile unit, I would remove it, then there is no discussion.

Just remember this is my opnion, with not facts attached.

Then again. A homeowner needs a power point for his appliance 3m away from the wall socket outlet. He may legally install an extension lead and clip it to the skirting. It is not part of the existing installation. He may not however connect it to the installation other than by plugtop.

[Isetech]

Something to consider.

Fact, copied and pasted from the SANS 10142-1 ed 3.1.

3.3.3
fixed appliance
appliance that is fastened or otherwise secured at a specific location, and
that would require the use of tools to be moved to another location

[Isetech]

My generator and my "mobile backup inverter system" is on wheeels and all my custommers who have plugs like this mounted below their meter box, in a weather proof enclosure with a main switch, overload protection and ELU required to make the parts which are attached to the building and connected to the electrical installation comply with SANS 10142-1:2021 (ed3.1). I have also verified with my local AIA, that what I have installed is as per regulations. Once I join and memebrship is finalised with the ECA I will request a comment from the technical team, Just to CYA and have it in writting.

[Isetech]

By the way I enjoy these kind of disccusions, and respect everyone elses opnion.

[Isetech]

I thought I would share this.

3.2
accessible
not permanently closed in by the structure or surface(s) of the premises
3.3
appliance
machine, tool, device or instrument that is operated by electricity for the
purpose of doing work, or for providing heat, light or motion, or in which
electrical energy is modified into another form of energy
3.3.1
class I appliance
appliance that has at least basic insulation throughout, and that is provided
with an earthing terminal or earthing contact and is designed (in the case
of single phase) for connection by means of a three-core flexible cord
3.3.2
class II appliance
appliance that has double insulation or reinforced insulation (or both)
throughout, and that is without provision for earthing
3.3.3
fixed appliance
appliance that is fastened or otherwise secured at a specific location, and
that would require the use of tools to be moved to another location
3.3.4
portable appliance
appliance that is moved in the course of normal operation
3.3.5
stationary appliance
appliance that is normally not moved or cannot easily be moved while in
operation

[Isetech]

Lucky I am being paid to work today, otherwise I would be rather spending time with my family

[GCE]

My generator and my "mobile backup inverter system" is on wheeels and all my custommers who have plugs like this mounted below their meter box, in a weather proof enclosure with a main switch, overload protection and ELU required to make the parts which are attached to the building and connected to the electrical installation comply with SANS 10142-1:2021 (ed3.1). I have also verified with my local AIA, that what I have installed is as per regulations. Once I join and memebrship is finalised with the ECA I will request a comment from the technical team, Just to CYA and have it in writting.

I agree with your method which seemed to be the question at the start of the thread - I assume you doing a COC for everything vs the start of the thread appearing to think that because it is "plug and play" the play side of the installation would not need a COC

[Isetech]

The installation that I have done for the generators has a COC for the equipment I installed and secured to the wall and linked in to the meter, including the earth spike in the gorund and the neutral earth bond in the changeover DB and attached a label which indicates that a VOV device must not be plugged into the plug top. I cant issue a COC for the generator , because I have no control over what the customer rolls to the box to plug in.

I have found that there is a challenge when the customer links the plug top to the neighbours electricity, using an extention, because of the permanant neutral earth bond in the changeover box. We are working on a solution for when this happens.


We can sit and discuss things down to the last details, but trying to cover every single challenge is impossible so we just try make it a resoanbly safe as possible at the time.

I agree with your method which seemed to be the question at the start of the thread - I assume you doing a COC for everything vs the start of the thread appearing to think that because it is "plug and play" the play side of the installation would not need a COC