Where to get HR Policies and Procedures?

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  • HR Solutions
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    • Mar 2013
    • 3358

    #16
    Originally posted by Vanash Naick
    I don't agree with this contention for the following reason: An accused is innocent until proven guilty. Should an individual be arrested but not convicted, the arrest can't be held against that person as he/she has not being convicted.
    Well would you hire someone to handle large amounts of money if you were told that he was fired for stealing money - a charge was laid but withdrawn ??

    Hearing and knowing this you would presume that a deal was made between the employer and the employee to pay back the money and they would drop the charge. But deep down that little charge is still there.

    So back to my question - Would YOU Vanash Naick hire someone to handle money/bank transfers etc if you knew this ??

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    • sterne.law@gmail.com
      Platinum Member

      • Oct 2009
      • 1332

      #17
      Whether you have policy or not, an arrest or charge is always going to count against you, rightfully or wrongfully.
      As employee, one part says disclose and explain upfront, but you worry that will put you out of the game, the other part says keep quiet, but if employer finds out then you are toast.
      There is also the issue of if you must disclose a criminal record ( on the premise that you are not asked)? There is one case on this and court found against employee.
      Anthony Sterne

      www.acumenholdings.co.za
      DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.

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      • HR Solutions
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        • Mar 2013
        • 3358

        #18
        Originally posted by sterne.law@gmail.com
        Whether you have policy or not, an arrest or charge is always going to count against you, rightfully or wrongfully.
        As employee, one part says disclose and explain upfront, but you worry that will put you out of the game, the other part says keep quiet, but if employer finds out then you are toast.
        There is also the issue of if you must disclose a criminal record ( on the premise that you are not asked)? There is one case on this and court found against employee.
        Quite correct. We have just had a scenario that the guy was honest with us and told us that he was fired for stealing. We passed this info onto our client (which we have to) and the client said no to the candidate ! His crim record came back clean, so obviously he was threatened by the ex employer and the employer actually didn't lay a charge and he thought it had been laid. Unfortunately he screwed himself by telling us and we had already passed the info on. But long story short - he never got the job - so yes it can count against you rightfully or wrongfully.

        Fortunately or unfortunately in the real world this innocent thing until proven guilty does not work. If you cause trouble you must expect to suffer the consequences !

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        • Citizen X
          Diamond Member

          • Sep 2011
          • 3417

          #19
          Originally posted by HR Solutions
          Well would you hire someone to handle large amounts of money if you were told that he was fired for stealing money - a charge was laid but withdrawn ??

          Hearing and knowing this you would presume that a deal was made between the employer and the employee to pay back the money and they would drop the charge. But deep down that little charge is still there.

          So back to my question - Would YOU Vanash Naick hire someone to handle money/bank transfers etc if you knew this ??
          To be clear, I wouldn't hire an individual who has being convicted of bank robbery to work in a bank! On this note, I will have no reservations whatsoever of hiring a person who has been arrested but never convicted. This person retains his innocent status until a court finds him guilty. Many people are arrested for extremely petty things such aas loitering. I beleive all provinces have this as a by law. Suppose someone attacks you in your property and you shoot that person. regardless of the fact that you acted in self defence, you are still arrested and charged with murder. The only difference is that you have a valid defence. So, if a person looks superficially at just what the pc at the local police station says, then it says, on a certain date you were charged with and arrested for murder.
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          • HR Solutions
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            • Mar 2013
            • 3358

            #20
            Many people are arrested for extremely petty things such aas loitering
            Thanks but you eloquently skirted my question. My question did relate to THEFT, not loitering.
            But anyway its your opinion - it certainly is not what happens in the real world.

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            • Kealebo
              New Member
              • Jun 2018
              • 2

              #21
              Hi
              Can someone please help me with the HR policies especially the performance management(appraisal) policy, where can i get a template to assist me.

              Please help

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