A Question ......

[HR Solutions]

I can only laugh. Some people have opinions based on experience. Then some people ASSUME things based on other peoples experience. Then they try to make it a fact of someone else ...
Just another thread getting totally messed up after I tried to start an intelligent simple thread by asking WHY ??

I have been there, and I got up and came back fighting, not crying.

Good for you Dave. I have also been there - its not easy, but you have to fight to get back up.

[tec0]

tec0 - The guy makes an observation from experience - I can assure you that he would happily place anybody and everybody because he gets paid when he places somebody. You keep forgetting that he is a placement agency and not the final employer.

And I also have experience and I am also making observations. A few observations I will not make public. There is no need for that. But I know a lot more then you may think. Lets just leave it at that. You think I am being an a$$hole with HR. I can tell you now there is much much more to this then just me shooting my mouth off. Like I say I know stuff and I have some facts... But I will not air them at all. That is for me and is my motivation.

[adrianh]

tec0 - The bottom line is that personal insults simply serve no purpose, no matter what we know. Remember, this forum is like standing around a braai and talking with lots of people you don't really know. If one were to insult people under that circumstance one would be liable to get a fat slap sommer then and there!

[tec0]

tec0 - The bottom line is that personal insults simply serve no purpose, no matter what we know. Remember, this forum is like standing around a braai and talking with lots of people you don't really know. If one were to insult people under that circumstance one would be liable to get a fat slap sommer then and there!

If people start to label other people then that is a personal insult to me. And I take it very personally. He started the crap with his post. I followed up. You may not like me now and you may think that I am an arrogant a$$hole with my head stuck up my own a$$. But I will let this go. Partly because so many people insist that I do.

Fine let things run as they do... I just hope I am wrong.

[HR Solutions]

[Dave S]

Tec0, I hear you, singling out an age group is perhaps not the best way to go about it, but HR Solutions has far more experience in these matters than you or I. HR Solutions is not saying that ALL persons in this age group are so, just that this is more prevalent in that particular age group. If you are in that age group it's fine to feel a little insulted by it, but then don't go attacking anyone for it, just try to see it from their perspective.

I have a son and daughter in that group and they don't always get a thumbs-up from me either, there are often times that I must play the "Daddy says" card, but overall, they have the right attitude and they are keen to get up and do whatever it takes.

[HR Solutions]

I have a son and daughter in that group

And the funny thing is so do I But I have taught them to go out there and DO IT. I have taught them that nothing comes easy to you. You have to go out there and make it happen, and if you don't it will not come to you ! (based on my experience in the recruitment industry)

HR Solutions is not saying that ALL persons in this age group are so

Thanks Dave

Lets just leave it at that

We are really trying to ...

[adrianh]

I have employed numerous people over the years and young white males are the worst by far. Let me tell you about my employment choices in order of preference.

Hard handwork - black Zimbabwean men, white Zimbabwean men, coloured men then only white men.
Artistic work - young white women, young coloured women, young coloured men and lastly young white men.

Take it, leave it, I couldn't care less, those are my preferences from personal experience.

[HR Solutions]

I have employed numerous people over the years and young white males are the worst by far. Let me tell you about my employment choices in order of preference.

Hard handwork - black Zimbabwean men, white Zimbabwean men, coloured men then only white men.
Artistic work - young white women, young coloured women, young coloured men and lastly young white men.

Take it, leave it, I couldn't care less, those are my preferences from personal experience.

I tend to agree with you. Its a sad thing.
(I must add tho - it is NOT everyone (just in case anyone might feel picked on) )

[Dave S]

I have employed numerous people over the years and young white males are the worst by far. Let me tell you about my employment choices in order of preference.

Hard handwork - black Zimbabwean men, white Zimbabwean men, coloured men then only white men.
Artistic work - young white women, young coloured women, young coloured men and lastly young white men.

Take it, leave it, I couldn't care less, those are my preferences from personal experience.

My experience has been somewhat different, but we are in very different trades.

[adrianh]

That's the, its all about personal experience. Then of course there is also how we relate to others, I find it very easy to relate to men in the workshop and with young women on the creative side.

I find is easy to relate to men in the workshop who want to work and don't want to argue and second guess every single thing.

I find that young women are extremely creative and open minded when it comes to creative lateral thinking, young men are far more rigid in their thinking.

[pmbguy]

I may be fuelling the fire, but sorry Tec you have to look in the mirror a bit here. I am sure you don’t endorse bullying, but look at how you attempt to bully HR and others. It is socially unacceptable to simply attack people the way you do. This here is a civilised community. If you somehow ended up at my house for a braai, and you treated my quests in such a manner, you would regret your arrogance swiftly. You find the most arbitrary statements so personally offensive, why? If I posted a statistic that reads “24y olds wank the most” (And you happen to be 24) would you then launch a personal attack against me because I am saying that you, tec0, are a wanker?

[adrianh]

Reminds me of the guy who said that 50% of all politicians are criminals and when he was asked to retract the statement he said that 50% of politicians are not criminals.

[Dave A]

I can't help thinking there'll always be some level of attrition, particularly as time passes. In particular, my experience is make any appointment more than 24 hours in advance and your pitch rate drops radically. It seems to be the outside limit of what many people can keep the booking at top-of-mind, or important enough not to have a lapse of some sort. (For anyone reading this, that definitely excludes you, of course - but my numbers based on tens of thousands of appointments with clients over the years has clearly indicated the trend is very real).

HR - what are your stats for turn-ups at your first interviews before you start making referrals to the companies for interviews?
How many days after that first interview do you end up setting up for an interview with the company?
How many hours in advance do you make appointments for your first interviews?
How many hours in advance do you make the appointments for the company interviews?

My suggestion - if you want to improve your turn-ups, keep the timeline tight as possible.
Urgency also has a knack of injecting enthusiasm.

[HR Solutions]

Just thought I would quickly relate another story. Our client was looking for someone in Feb. We found the normal 5 people, sent them for interviews whereby the client shortlisted down to two and asked us to check them out at the same time. The one guy I am talking about had worked for a company for the last 5 years, therefore we could not do a reference check with that company. He got the job and started work in Feb. We have recently heard from our client that he has been off work for approx. 21 days (in2.5 months). We decided to do the check with the previous company as we were in our rights to do this now. Shock ..... he had been asked to leave them in Sep last year - Reason: Because he took off 61 days sick leave last year and 21 days awol !!! Therefore he had lied to us. He had committed fraud by not disclosing this and signing our application form ! He had told us at the time he was still working, therefore we could not check his employment with the previous company. End result - he has been asked to leave this company as well ! Here we have another 28 year old white unemployed guy that has not wanted to put some effort into his new job !