A few questions about the COVID mRNA vaccines

[Derlyn]

Proffessor Edward J Steele speaks about the experimental injection and tells it like it is.

Can't cheat the universe --- so, so true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHw6zWiOv00

Derek

[tec0]

If only. The stuff actually gives me a terrible sinus headache. Its as if the alcohol goes and sits in my sinus membranes. I eventually got rid of the headache last night after 3 hours with the Tens unit strapped to my face :-)

ClicksSaline Spray 30ml

Full disclosure 1 > i am not a doctor 2 > i don't know if it does anything 3 > it works for me it may not work for you. Sorry but as we all know we have or local resident that tries to see fault in anything that we post.

Now back to what i wanted to say. I use this when i get home. It seems to work for me. i also got dreadful headaches from the chemical smells at every shop. So i grab the Saline Spray took it home and used it. Behold after and hour or so the headache cleared and i felt good. So i started to use it regularly but not excessively. Excessive use of anything is bad.

Anyhow hope this helps.

[adrianh]

ClicksSaline Spray 30ml

Full disclosure 1 > i am not a doctor 2 > i don't know if it does anything 3 > it works for me it may not work for you. Sorry but as we all know we have or local resident that tries to see fault in anything that we post.

Now back to what i wanted to say. I use this when i get home. It seems to work for me. i also got dreadful headaches from the chemical smells at every shop. So i grab the Saline Spray took it home and used it. Behold after and hour or so the headache cleared and i felt good. So i started to use it regularly but not excessively. Excessive use of anything is bad.

Anyhow hope this helps.

I'll give it a try. I use a Saline nasal wash when things get really bad. (I've had 4 sinus operations so there is really very little left of my mucus membranes). Flomist is also really good. Both my daughters also get terrible sinus headaches so there is always Sinutab or something lying around the house. The thing with the Chemical headache is that nothing seems to help. It is as if the Chemical needs to work its way out of the system. Soldering, superglue, Tamiya paints and various other chemicals give me the same sort of headaches. I'm the one that works with a respirator and a fan blowing on his face all the time :-)

[Derlyn]

I sincerely hope that the sinus headache has subsided. Honestly, believe it or not, I do.
Us old toppies should start a thread where we can exchange remedies for our ailments.
I have been struggling with an eye infection for about a week now and cannot seem to shake it off.

Anyway, that's off topic.

This thread is headed A few questions about the covid mRNA vaccines.

Thats why I submitted the following youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHw6zWiOv00

I don't know for how much longer it will be available on youtube for obvious reasons. You know medical misinformation and all those things.

It might be interesting to hear what our brother's opinions are on Prof Edward Steele's summary of the pandemic so far.
I found it quite thought provoking, considering his background.

Peace out .. Derek

[adrianh]

Interesting - He is obviously a very smart guy.

My sister lives in Sydney - I sent the link on to her - I am speaking to her tomorrow morning so I will hear what she has to say then.

[Derlyn]

Interesting - He is obviously a very smart guy.

Exactly

[adrianh]

Look, I agree that there is a coverup of note. The initial Wuhan reports got squashed along with the fact the a certain government and Mr F had a looooooooong finger in the lab where it started. There were a couple of well known scientists in the beginning that said some things that got shut down very quickly. Its like 911 - The 1st reports showed reality.....then the cleanup rewrote what the entire world saw with their own eyes.

I don't have the answers - maybe vaccines work - maybe they don't - I kinda went along with the masses - Could it be a full blown 911-like scam job - for sure - I don't know one way or the other. If it is a scam-job then big pharma has the planet over a barrel.

[Derlyn]

My brother

From one toppie to another.

At the beginning of this " pandemic " I was scared, thanks to the MSM.
I also sat at home for a week or so.
I had plenty time on my hands and sat glued to the news, scared to go outside unless I wanted to die.

Then along came Prof Doloris Cahill and suggested I carry on with life because this is nothing more than flu.

Then along came Dr Rashid Buttar and challenged anyone who had covid 19 to contact him and he would hug and kiss them.

Then along came Dr Judy Mikovits and confirmed that what we are seeing is nothing more than flu.

Then along came Doctors Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta, Jay Bhattacharya and countless others who tried their best to calm the fears.

There's one thing all the above mentioned doctors have in common ..... They have been de platformed by social media platforms.

My question is simple. WHY ?

I took Prof Cahill's advice and carried on with my life as usual.
So far, so good. I'm starting to believe what she had to say.

Peace out .. Derek.

And by the way, I wasn't lying about the eye infection.

[Dave A]

There have been a few times in this thread where I have been tempted to say "Darwin is going to have the last laugh on this one."

To quote Prof Edward J Steele - "If we are wrong, we will soon be caught out by reality."
True enough.

Parts of Australia are about to open up as they approach an 80% vaccinated population rate in many of their major centres. And as he points out, the Australians are not going to have the "naturally developed resilience" he claims is the real reason for Europe's reduced consequences of being infected in their third wave. It will be interesting to see how things play out if/when Covid infections actually do sweep naturally through the vaccinated Australian population as they haven't even had a proper "first wave" yet.

And while on that point, I also think one of the areas where the debate gets crossed up is the issue of immunity vs diminished consequence.
Who is claiming that these vaccines provide immunity?

[Andromeda]

Then along came Dr Judy Mikovits and confirmed that what we are seeing is nothing more than flu.

Sorry but that is not a confirmation. It is an opinion, and a very stupid one at that. Who says stupid? I says stupid.

They have been de platformed by social media platforms.

Because of their stupidly dangerous utterances. Not because they are clever!


Clive was found dead in bed an estimated 3 months after passing away. It's kind of difficult to know what he went through. That was during the 1st wave.

Eddie is dead. He went to hospital for something completely different and was infected and became ill with Covid 19 and passed away. It was during the 1st wave and before vaccines.

Mark is dead. He was anti vaccine and was of the firm belief that it was a bad case of flu. He was ill at home for 2 weeks before he was hospitalized because his oxygen saturation levels were consistently below 70%, and dropping. He was inn ICU for a further 5 weeks before he suddenly passed away. That was during the 3rd wave.

A different Mark was infected in the 2nd wave. Plenty of comorbidities; he has had three heart attacks, a double bypass and an artificial aortic valve. He has had flu before. Ask him if this disease was like a bad case of flu. I warn you that he is a very large chap (not fat) and you might wish you had a very bad case of flu instead.

Alvin was infected during the 3rd wave. His age group became eligible for the vaccine after he was infected by his brother. His brother died first. Alvin followed weeks later. All in all Alvin was in ICU for 5 weeks. By the time of his passing, his lungs and kidneys were severely damaged.

Cedric also became infected in the 2nd wave. After recovering and being discharged, he was back in ICU after 48 hours and this time for 3 weeks. He has some lung damage that will take about two years to repair, if it does. He is now fully vaccinated.

Kobus also became infected at the same time. He had less of weight problem and eventually made a full recovery. He too is now fully vaccinated.

Frank, who is the fittest man I know, was infected in the 2nd wave. Although he was never hospitalized he will tell you it is easily the worst infection he has ever experienced. He is still an anti vaxxer because, paradoxically, he has a general fear of the vaccine.

Michelle and her hubby were infected in the 3rd wave. Her hubby recovered. Michelle was discharged from hospital with pulmonary fibrosis. That condition is so severe that she is permanently on oxygen.

Madeleine, a colleague, was infected in the 1st wave and has made some degree of recovery, but is beset by so called long covid issues.

My sister was infected in the 2nd wave but was miraculously asymptomatic.

With the exception of my sister, every one of these people will clobber you if you imply that Covid is like flu, even bad flu.

[Derlyn]

And while on that point, I also think one of the areas where the debate gets crossed up is the issue of immunity vs diminished consequence.
Who is claiming that these vaccines provide immunity?

That's the thing now. For an injection to be classified or called a vaccine, it MUST OFFER IMMUNITY.
The experimental injection presently being administered to the masses has been deceptively called a vaccine in order to deceive people into thinking that it offers immunity. It does not, so cannot be called a vaccine.

Vaccine

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

So lets just call it what it is, namely an injection, an experimental one.

At least I cannot be referred to as an antivaxxer, neither can those who boast about having had it be called vaxholes.
I apologise for using that word when giving my description of the so called " vaccine pass " in an earlier post.

I still think it's a dompas.

Peace out .. Derek.

[Dave A]

So that got me doing some research. Not as simple as one might think

“Vaccinate” vs. “Inoculate” vs. “Immunize”: What Are The Differences?

[Derlyn]

So that got me doing some research. Not as simple as one might think

“Vaccinate” vs. “Inoculate” vs. “Immunize”: What Are The Differences?

Yep

And the deception continues day in and day out, in broad daylight, by the government, MSM and the majority of the medical fraternity. It is shameful.

That is exactly why I said a while back that I admire people like Dr Susan Vosloo who, irrespective of the consequences, strive to let the truth be known.
It's because of people like her, that I have hope for humanity.

Like Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

Peace out .. Derek

[Dave A]

Yep

And the deception continues day in and day out, in broad daylight, by the government, MSM and the majority of the medical fraternity.

And you. And me.

So is it deception, or misunderstanding?
For most I suggest it is a failure to properly grasp the full subtleties of the distinctions. For some it is a deliberate misrepresentation.

I still suggest the decision needs to be based on comparative risk/benefit assessments.
Are the risk consequences of taking a particular vaccine more severe than not taking it - on the basis that you are inevitably going to be exposed to Covid-19?
Statistically, for me the answer is obvious.

But then I suppose there are those who believe the statistics are part of the conspiracy...

Ultimately, Darwin is going to win.

[ians]

Something interesting mentioned yesterday while a bunch of people sitting around chatting about the most common topic today ... I mentioned that I cant understand why lets say a person like me who is out and about ... not wearing my mask (unless forced to) and exposed to so many people in and out of buildings ... collecting goods ... filling out pages of registers (when forced to) ... worked in buildings were more than 10 people have tested positive etc etc etc.

I was told by someone that apparently there is a test which can be done to verify if you need the jab or not ... anyone with information about this test and why they are not doing this test in SA that I know of.

And apparently if you have already had the first jab for example and test show that you have enough of these things in your body ... you dont have to have the second jab or even the first jab.

All just chit chat around a fire ... so lets not all jump up and down and throw our toys all over the office.