Connecting gas stoves

[ians]

What i need is to find someone who actually knows the rules and regulations.

Simple question...using a 9 kg bottle loose in a cupboard: (please provide documentation to back your reply)

If you have a 2 plate stove as used for camping sold at makro game etc do you need a coc if you put it on a counter in your kitchen - yes or no
If you have a free standing 4 plate stove with a cable with a socket outlet which can be moved around the kitchen require a coc - yes or no

what is the max length a flexible pipe can be connected to an appliance with a regulator?

IF the free standing stove can be supplied with a plug socket, can the appliance be supplied with a flexible hose and regulator?

What is the max sized bottled allowed to be used indoors for appliances?

[ACEsterhuizen]

Is this the regulations pertaining to gas installations?

also here

and here

and then the actual act that empowers such regs.

...and here i was thinking of building my own personal steam generator at home....

Registration of a steam generator
8. (1) No user may use a steam generator unless such user is in
possession of a certificate of registration issued in terms of subregulation (3)
for that steam generator.
(2) Application for registration to use a steam generator shall be made
prior to use to the provincial director in the form of Annexure 2, including
copies of a certificate from the manufacturer and from the approved
inspection authority after installation prior to commissioning: Provided that this
subregulation shall not apply in respect of the re-erection of a steam
generator on the same premises.
(3) On receipt of an application for registration.................

[ians]

According to the attached regulation you can store up to 19 kg indoors

5.2.2 Indoor location
5.2.2.1 Where LPG containers are permanently installed or stored in a building, the type of building
(as defined in the relevant part of SANS 10400, see also annex D) and the corresponding size of
the container(s) shall be as follows:
a) flats (H3): a maximum of 9 kg per flat;
b) houses (including cluster housing and group housing (not exceeding two storeys)): a total
maximum of 19 kg;

[ians]

As with the electrical regulations

6.2 Installation of appliances
6.2.1 Fixed appliances shall be installed by a registered installer. When siting an appliance, due
regard shall be paid to convenience in use, to protection from draughts and damage, and to the
layout of the gas piping system. Pipe runs shall be as neat, tidy and as short as possible. Pressure
regulators shall be of an approved type. Low-pressure regulators shall comply with SANS 1237.

[ians]

I thought this would be interesting for all the sparkys

9 Electrical equipment and other sources of ignition
9.1 General
Where electrical equipment is placed within the safety distance as specified in figure 3, the zone
requirements in accordance with SANS 10087-3 shall apply.
Electrical equipment, such as light switches and plugs, shall be at least 200 mm away from any
burner and potential point of gas release. Where it is necessary to install a gas hob together with an
electric oven, a three-point plug socket shall not be used to connect the electric oven. A proper
isolator switch shall be in place above the level of the hob and it shall have at least 200 mm
clearance from the hob.
No electrical connection shall be made below the hob. See figures 15 and 16 for further
connections. ...this has been discussed in previous threads.

[ians]

just to blow everything out the water. You cannot use only 1 x 9 kg bottle for a domestic stove as indicated in the table below:


Table 2 ^ Container requirements of typical appliances
1 2 3 4 5
Approximate number of containers
required
Capacity of container
Approximate
input Appliance
22 L (9 kg) 45 L (19 kg)a 113 L (48 kg) kJ/h
Gas stove, normal domestic 1,50 0,65 0,32 42 000
Gas stove, large domestic 2,25 1,00 0,50 63 000
Hotplate (2 burner) 1,00 0,25 0,12 16 000
Instantaneous water heater, multipoint 4,60 2,00 1,00 74 000
Instantaneous water heater, single point 2,00 0,84 0,42 37 000
Gaslight 0,10 0,04 0,02 2 000
Gas iron 0,20 0,08 0,04 3 000
Refrigerator 0,10 0,04 0,02 2 000
Space heater, large, with flue 2,00 0,84 0,42 37 000
Space heater, small, portable type 0,40 0,16 0,08 5 000
NOTE 1 The container requirements may be scaled down if it is unlikely that all appliances will be used
simultaneously for long periods of time.
NOTE 2 This table is based on results that are typical for cold-winter conditions in South Africa; in
warmer conditions the requirements will be less. With experience, a registered installer will learn how
the values can be modified to suit local conditions.
a
It has been found in practice that the approximations given for 45 L (19 kg) containers can usually
also be used for 34 L (13/14 kg) containers.
Table 3 ^ Container requirements for an installation
1 2 3 4
Number of containers required Appliance
22 L (9 kg) 45 L (19 kg) 113 L (48 kg)
Gas stove, normal domestic 1,50 0,65 0,32
Instantaneous water heater, single point 2,00 0,84 0,42
Refrigerator 0,10 0,04 0,02
Gaslights (8 × value given in table 2) 0,80 0,32 0,16
Total number of containers 4,40 1,85 0,9

[ians]

I still cant find the rule which indicates that if the flexible hose is shorter than 1.5 m long a COC is no required.

[ians]

Just been to a property which has a 14 kg bottle positioned directly below a DB with a isolating valve and copper pipe 1 metre long. Was installed and certified by a gas installer. I would have thought that would be illegal because it blocks the access to the DB. You cant move the bottle because there is a short flexible hose just just long enough to reach the shut off valve.

Time to apply for the gas course to become a certified gas installer

[Sparks]

A quote to move the DB will have the homeowner quickly contesting the validity of the gas installation certificate. surprisingly though, I had a few cases in Cape Town where people rather paid to have me move their DB as opposed to them moving their stoves from directly below it.

[smartappliance83]

Gearing up for some gas-powered cooking? Connecting your new stove doesn't have to be a recipe for stress! Here are some tips to get those flames dancing safely and deliciously:

Safety First:

Turn that gas off! Before you even think about tinkering, locate the main gas valve and shut it down tight.
Double-check your connections. Make sure the gas supply line and your shiny new stove use the same type of fitting. Mismatched threads can turn a simple hookup into a hissy fit.
Leak? Nope! Use soapy water to check for bubbles around all the connections. Even a tiny whisper of bubbles means there's trouble brewing, so tighten things up or call in the pros.
Getting Techy:

Connector chaos? Most stoves come with a flexible gas connector, but if yours doesn't or needs a makeover, find the right one at your local hardware store. Remember, size matters!
Wrap it up! Apply Teflon tape to the pipe threads for that extra seal of confidence. Just don't be a mummy – a few wraps are plenty.
Go slow and steady. When screwing on those connections, think slow and gentle. Overdoing it can crack the fitting and lead to more leaks than a leaky bucket.
Light it Up!

Double-check (again!). Once everything's connected, turn the gas valve back on slowly and listen for any telltale hisses. If you hear anything suspicious, shut it back down and double-check your connections.
Spark it up! Light the burners according to your stove's manual. If the flames are anything but a healthy blue,