Compliance of electrical wiring in ceiling space

[mygoggie]

Kindly comment if the wiring done as per the images are compliant.

[Sparks]

Unfortunately, while poorly done it is not illegal. The cables are not on hot water pipes and the joints are enclosed.

[hartdev@hotmail.com]

in fact it usually looks worse, that's one of the better jobs we see lol

[Heating]

But the wires suppose to run into plastic pipes i think ?

[GCE]

No need for Twin and earth to run in conduit within the roof space

[AndyD]

The only thing I can see that's not compliant is the proximity of the conduit box to the lamp in the downlight but if it's LED even that isn't an issue. Maybe lack of strain relief for the connection in the conduit box but as already stated whilst it's an untidy installation it's not illegal.

[Leecatt]

Maybe lack of strain relief for the connection in the conduit box

If there is a gland on the underside of the conduit box that provides adequate strain relief for the connections within the conduit box then I would say its compliant.
If there is no gland however I would fail it.

Something else is that there is more than one cable in some of the glands. I read a long time ago in the regs, and now I cannot find it, that each piece of equipment must be utilised as It was originally intended. I am sure that this means there should only be one cable per gland

[AndyD]

.....Something else is that there is more than one cable in some of the glands. I read a long time ago in the regs, and now I cannot find it, that each piece of equipment must be utilised as It was originally intended. I am sure that this means there should only be one cable per gland

You could go one stage further and fail glands with a stuffing rubber that has a round hole when there's a flat twin cable going through it because officially you should use one of these with an oval shaped hole;



I see where you're coming from but I'm not usually quite that pedantic to be honest, if there's a gland or an alternative entry system and it's maintaining the IP level and providing reasonable strain relief I wouldn't fail it.

[ians]

The only thing wrong in the pic, the twin and earth is running on top on the beams. The twin+e is not protected on the beams, any person working in the roof space could damage the wire and expose the live conductors. I am sure you could find a clause in the SANS if you really looked and interpreted it a way to point this out. What you would then do with the info is the part that makes me laugh at this industry. It is like trying to tell a taxi boss his body guards are not allowed to carry full automatic weapons like and AK 47. I dare you to waste the time and energy.

[SeanM]

Evening all

The cables in question should be fixed at the ends to prevent strain as per the regulation 6.4.3.4

[vincentkhoza]

Its not illegal for wires but the only things that was supposed to be done interms of safety wire and neat.To put a Pvc conduit pipes n Junction boxes for connection

[ians]

if you take a close look...you will note the 230 volts lamp holder has no earth terminal to to earth the frame of the down light .

you will also note that some of the twin +e runs under the beam...why they didnt install all the twin +e under the beams only the almighty above could explain.

it would make life for everyone... so much easier if someone who actually worked in the industry who had a little experience in all the challenges...made the rules.

a simple thing like a walk way (made up of board or battens) in the middle of a ceiling space (below the highest points)...should be law for people building houses...with a space left on either side for wiring and plumbing...which cannot be damaged by workers safety boots.

no wiring should be allowed below the centre (highest point in the ceiling space) unless suitably mechanically protected.

in fact why am i even wasting my time and energy.......you get the idea...its becoming a challenge trying to identify the alarm wires from the electrical wires from the network cabling...aerial cabling...in this day and age most unskilled people do a really crap job...including the labourers installing the electrics.

like a customer said to me a while back...who cares what it looks like in the roof or wall ...he cant see it ...so long as it works...the problem is there are still people who i can see by their responses to this forum...still have a bit of pride in their work.

As difficult as it is...try keep your head up and do the best you can do...people do notice it and will comment on the good workmanship...there are still customers out there
prepared to pay for a quality job...people talk and they normally will find you.

[Derlyn]

I could not understand or make head or tail of the posting by vincentkhosa.

Derek

[Werner Booysen]

I HAVE BEEN PUTTING 2 WIRES IN 1 GLAND FOR YEARS SO IS MY INSTALLATION WRONG ,NEVER NEW THAT AFTER 32 YEARS WHERE DOES IT MAKE THE INSTALLATION UNSAFE

[ACEsterhuizen]

Hi there, I think what we really need to see (in this pic) is the inside of that box.......and some test results.....