Stove connection

[ians]

Hi All

Can anyone explain to this toppie why a free standing stove connected via a stove coupler need not be on earth leakage, but the same stove connected via an industrial plug ( welding plug as I know it to be known ) must be on earth leakage. I am trying, without success, to see the logic.

Here, I am talking about a domestic installation where the chances of any other appliance being plugged into the socket is pretty much close to zero.

Peace out ... Derek.

The simplest answer ... the same reason a dedicated plug doesnt have to be on earth leakage ... it is designed specifically for a stove ... there are other reasons ... like it is a stationary appliance (not moved around) etc etc ... but then I ask why a geyser has to be on earth leakage ... its not connected to any type of plug ... standard or dedicated.

It seems the same people are making the covid rules as they go ... i hear families are hiring a taxi so that they can all sit shoulder to shoulder with the windows open and head to the casino to spend time with each other ...just smile and suck it up ... unless you have connection in the right place

"I changed it to I ask"

[GCE]

I phone pretty much every wholesaler within pretty big radius of Jo'burn (30 plus including the voltex, acdc dynamics, ARB etc plus a load of independents). None could get me (if they had even heard of) a stove coupler.

Phoned ECA, as I also saw their articles on this subject, and asked where am i supposed to get them from. Said they hadn't seen one in years - apparently the manufacturer had closed long ago. Asked for suggestion and was told its very hard to get them so they said best to use industrial socket via double pole with earth leakage protection.

For the flats which have free standing stoves, that's what I'm doing.

Sorted.

I am inquisitive by nature so made a call to my go to supplier in PE , IRC Lighting, and inquired as to availability of stove couplers. He has a couple on the shelf and did not think it was a problem to get.
They phoned Procast , who manufactured them, only to discover that they closed their doors today after 73 years in business .Sounds like economy , load-shedding and the nail in the coffin, being Covid, forced the decision.

Now there is definitely a problem in getting Stove couplers and I guess the regulations may have to be looked at unless somebody buys the machinery and continues making.

[Derlyn]

The the simplest answer ... the same reason a dedicated plug doesnt have to be on earth leaakge ... there eare othe reasons ... like it is a stationary appliance (not moved around) etc etc ... but then you ask why a geyser has to be on earth leakage ... its not any type of plug ... standard or dedicated ... seems the same people are making the covid rules as they go ... i hear families are hiring taxis so that they can all sit shoulder to shoulder with the windows open and head to the casino to spend time with each other ...just smile and suck it up ... unless you have connection in the right place

Hi Ians

I don't think you understood my question. I never mentioned a geyser. I know geysers must be on earth leakage.
My question revolved around a stove being connected by two different types of plugs, the one having to be through earth leakage and the other not.
My question is why ? What's the difference?


Peace out ... Derek

[GCE]

Hi Ians

I don't think you understood my question. I never mentioned a geyser. I know geysers must be on earth leakage.
My question revolved around a stove being connected by two different types of plugs, the one having to be through earth leakage and the other not.
My question is why ? What's the difference?


Peace out ... Derek

The stove coupler can only be used for a stove and there is no grey area - Stove only

Allow a " Welding socket " to be used on a stove circuit only without earth leakage and the grey area is formed and next thing the factory 3 phase Welding sockets are not on earth leakage because we thought it was going to be for a stove. That is generally the SA way of greying things out to work in our favour

I have put through the suggestion that we allow a " clocked" " welding socket " to be allowed for a stove without ELU

[Derlyn]

The stove coupler can only be used for a stove and there is no grey area - Stove only

Allow a " Welding socket " to be used on a stove circuit only without earth leakage and the grey area is formed and next thing the factory 3 phase Welding sockets are not on earth leakage because we thought it was going to be for a stove. That is generally the SA way of greying things out to work in our favour

I have put through the suggestion that we allow a " clocked" " welding socket " to be allowed for a stove without ELU

GCE

Thank you, brother. Much appreciated.

Peace out ... Derek.