Electrical compliance companies

[Alfred M]

They would not do it as they have someone under them and they just say go do the Recc at each point and do the tests and let me know... I'll be in the bakkie or having a coffee with the client...

That is part of the experience I have had in the past.

Also a wireman generally owns a company and would have staff... he would let the staff do the work. You don't see the owner of discovery doing the day to day work. He overseas it all. A bit of a differnet situation but still the point of the owner does not always do everything.

I do believe that the registered person can give a written statement giving person X signing powers, how ever I have not looked into it.

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Only a Registered Person, employed by/on behalf of a registered electrical contractor may issue a CoC after he/she has inspected and tested the electrical installation and found it to be reasonably safe.

[Dave A]

They would not do it as they have someone under them and they just say go do the Recc at each point and do the tests and let me know... I'll be in the bakkie or having a coffee with the client...

That is part of the experience I have had in the past.

Also a wireman generally owns a company and would have staff... he would let the staff do the work.

Because in most cases we have skilled and semi skilled who are working under our supervision.

I was thinking more along the lines where the "boss" sends the IE out to site do the testing, but what you say explains a lot of the symptoms I see in the industry
I have employed endless shyte IE's over the years who apparently don't know what they are doing. I guess the problem was they were too busy having coffee or naps while their subordinates were doing the work.

[Isetech]

I was thinking more along the lines where the "boss" sends the IE out to site do the testing, but what you say explains a lot of the symptoms I see in the industry
I have employed endless shyte IE's over the years who apparently don't know what they are doing. I guess the problem was they were too busy having coffee or naps while their subordinates were doing the work.

Bosses also need to get some sleep and have a cuppa on occasionally, we work 18-20 hours a day . Not everyone starts work at 8 am and home by 4 pm.

[Firepool]

Then you are no different to the illegal contractor that operates without being licensed and has the audacity to call himself legitimate

BY the way it is not saying how we work,I am saying how it often works in the industry.Many people love short term fixes at the cheapest price.The guy that follows the law can loose his advantage by doing everything by the book.The red tape kills the smme

[Firepool]

I don't understand this statement. If the registered wireman is at the site, why wouldn't they do the tests themselves?

Well our licensed wireman would go to site but it would not be the best use of his time when you trying to keep a large client base happy.

[skatingsparks]

I own the company, I personally do the testing with the assistance of one of my electricians, I sign the COC, its done to the best of my ability. I sleep well at night.

I have only done CoC's on extisting installation 3 times in the last 12 years. I only generally do CoC's on my own work.

Currently doing a CoC now as a pay back for a client who gave me enough work to get through lock down (the job sucks). It passes now we corrected a few things, but I don't like it but I also can't fail it - it complies with SANS 10142 but not to own fussy standard. I am getting a letter from the AIA inspector that says he is happy with my CoC (he has inspected the whole building). I am covered.

Just do it right and cover your own arse.

[markthespark]

We seem to be deviating from what I am trying to emphasize. The bigger compliance companies do approximately 5 inspections per day and about 5 repair jobs per day per team. If they have 4 teams then they are doing 20 complete inspections and repairs per day. The question is can they afford to employ 10 IEs?

[Firepool]

We seem to be deviating from what I am trying to emphasize. The bigger compliance companies do approximately 5 inspections per day and about 5 repair jobs per day per team. If they have 4 teams then they are doing 20 complete inspections and repairs per day. The question is can they afford to employ 10 IEs?

Somebody has to cover the property transfer market.If the bigger compliance companies were not around there would be delay to transfers as number
1)many registered electrician's dont want to do cocs and only be one man bands as find the comebacks stressful with estate agents(generally dont know what they talking about ) along with buyer who want a new house and seller not wiling to pay.
2) The seller is often in a rush and if you a bigger compliance companies can satisfy that demand
3)Compliance companies dont like to mix maintenance with compliance as they not the same things with different pricing and work flows.
4)If you dont do many coc you can get caught out regards to regulations.
5)Bigger compliance companies can be expensive in the market as they apply the technicalities that many other electrician's would not do as they not even aware of the fault but the compliance companies have been caught/found out by the Inspection authority|(due to volume).

So that might explain the reality of the market .

[Dave A]

We seem to be deviating from what I am trying to emphasize. The bigger compliance companies do approximately 5 inspections per day and about 5 repair jobs per day per team. If they have 4 teams then they are doing 20 complete inspections and repairs per day. The question is can they afford to employ 10 IEs?

I have no idea how you arrived at 10 IEs in that sequence. If there are four teams, why would you need 10 IEs?

[Isetech]

Its a numbers game, if you only have 1 comeback for every 50 COC's issued, you are still on top of your game.

The numbers game is in your favor, most customers couldn't be bothered with the follow up process, in most cases the buyer will just tell his/her electrician to fix the problem.

Then we have the skills issue, inspectors who cant fill out the document, and most don't have the latest updates nor do they know or have copies of regs dating back in time.

Throw in an old system designed for a first world country with much higher employment rates and here we sit with what seems to be dysfunctional electrical industry.

We need to look at the industry as a whole, including everyone working in the industry, registered or not. the system cannot function if it only takes a small percentage of the people operating in the industry.

70 % of the workforce being employed by small group of registered members could be seem a lot, but if you have to take every single person doing electrical, that figure may seem trivial.

But hey what would I know, I have never done a survey. From the small window I look through at the electrical industry, there seems to be a much bigger problem than a COC.

I go to site to work and find a red sleeve over a bare earth wire on a site were someone had recently done a COC, when I contact the person to enquire about it, his response "I must have missed it", considering it is the first thing you note as you remove the cover, the first thought that comes to mind, who did the visual inspection and was the inspector even on site. I didnt even bother requesting the COC document.