Plugs and switches

[Dylboy]

Is the Sans book Law or is it like the UK BS7167 where as it is a guidennce to keep you in the law of the EAWR. Bascially if you follow BS7671 and something should happen then you can use the BS7671 as your defence stating you followed that and thus precaution was taken.

You can divert from a standard within BS7671 and make note of it and give reason.mm bascially a risk assememt to a degree. Bascially BS7671 is a guidelines to help you stay in the law of EAWR.

So what I am asking is if shit goes south will they use the Sans book as guidelines but prosecute you on the law of for example the 1993 one (it escapes me the law document now sorry) or will they prosecute you fot not following the Sans book and that is it no other law documents.?



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[Dylboy]

For example it can be argued by installing the new socket in the kitchen and not a double 16Amp that danger is increased as the person needs to continuously plug and unplug the 16A plug to now have the toaster in apossed to having the double plug that has the kettle and toaster in on a more permanent basis...

You could in the letter state that and state that when appliances of adequate and new standard are here then a replacement can be made.

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[Derlyn]

Is the Sans book Law or is it like the UK BS7167 where as it is a guidennce to keep you in the law of the EAWR. Bascially if you follow BS7671 and something should happen then you can use the BS7671 as your defence stating you followed that and thus precaution was taken.

You can divert from a standard within BS7671 and make note of it and give reason.mm bascially a risk assememt to a degree. Bascially BS7671 is a guidelines to help you stay in the law of EAWR.

So what I am asking is if shit goes south will they use the Sans book as guidelines but prosecute you on the law of for example the 1993 one (it escapes me the law document now sorry) or will they prosecute you fot not following the Sans book and that is it no other law documents.?



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The applicable law is The Occupational Health and Safety Act of 1993 ( Act number 85 of 1993 )

The above law requires that electrical installations comply with the requirements of SANS 10142-1.

[Dylboy]

Thanks Uncle ! That's the one

Intresting! Will get the document when home later and have another read of it as I didn't pick up the sans in their the first time hahah.



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[Derlyn]

Thanks Uncle ! That's the one

Intresting! Will get the document when home later and have another read of it as I didn't pick up the sans in their the first time hahah.



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See page 3 of your SANS book
Second paragraph.

[Isetech]

Hi Ians

Was answered in a previous thread

https://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/showthread.php/27487-To-ZA-plug-or-not

In Short
The dangerous bit is when people take out the old 16amp socket you can touch the pins while extracting the plug top and kids can get all sorts of bits pushed into the plug openings - the smaller euro pins make it less likely to shove something in and the recessed portion stops fingers from touching the pins on extraction.

It was not an overnight decision and was discussed and debated by all role players within the industry

Before the regulation was adopted it was put out for public comment - Did you lodge objections at that stage ?

Then my question is simple, why have they not scrapped the old 16 amp socket, if it wasn't an overnight decision, and dangerous, why is every single appliance that I have come across (even visited Hirsch appliance sale) still supplied with an "old" 16 amp plug top?


Other than the extractor fan you mentioned, have you seen another appliances sold with a new za plug top?

No, I didnt get the memo, so unfortunately I didnt get to lodge an objection. That is why this forum is a handy platform for people to discuss or object these issues.

If I understand this correctly, you also agreed to the new reg or should I say didnt object ?

I believe there is a place for these ZA sockets, an example be at a table at a Wimpy or mug and bean, where you are busy with your laptop which is supplied with an "old" plug top and want to charge your phone. every single plug point on a property, I dont think so.

[Isetech]

The dangerous bit is when people take out the old 16amp socket you can touch the pins while extracting the plug top and kids can get all sorts of bits pushed into the plug openings - the smaller euro pins make it less likely to shove something in and the recessed portion stops fingers from touching the pins on extraction.

It was not an overnight decision and was discussed and debated by all role players within the industry

Before the regulation was adopted it was put out for public comment - Did you lodge objections at that stage ?

I was under the impression earth leakage units were installed to create a safer environment and the fact that one of the test requirements is to check the shutters on the 16 amp socket outlet.

Considering it was not an overnight decision, when will the rest of the country be required to supply appliances etc fitted with ZA plug tops ?

I would be interested to see a show of hands who agrees with the reg. on this forum ?

If you agree with the reg answer yes and if you dont and feel it should be part of the design or the customers choice answer no.

[Derlyn]

The horse has bolted.

[Urban Electrician]

I mostly use CBi products. I like the idea of supporting local manufacturing. Is there any other brand that is produced in here locally?