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  • Dylboy
    Gold Member

    • Jun 2020
    • 777

    #31
    What if we have the essentials on an off Grid inverter, i.e does not have mains connection, BUT then have a charger that goes to the battery to use the grid on cloudy days etc ? Is that then not needing any registration as not grid connected i.e can not back feed etc. ?

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    • Derlyn
      Platinum Member

      • Mar 2019
      • 1748

      #32
      Originally posted by GCE
      a) An individual limit of 25 % of NMD
      [/I]
      What does NMD mean?

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      • Isetech
        Platinum Member

        • Mar 2022
        • 2274

        #33
        3.2 Abbreviations

        ADMD: after diversity maximum demand
        EG: embedded generator
        LV: low voltageMV: medium voltage
        NMD: notified maximum demand
        OLTC: on-load tap changing
        RVC: rapid voltage change
        SSEG: small-scale embedded generator
        Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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        • GCE
          Platinum Member

          • Jun 2017
          • 1473

          #34
          Originally posted by Isetech
          Do we have to comply to this document ?

          This document is not a South African National Standard


          https://www.sseg.org.za/wp-content/u...2020-07-20.pdf
          The utilities basically make it a Bylaw - so yes you need to comply

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          • Derlyn
            Platinum Member

            • Mar 2019
            • 1748

            #35
            Pasted below is a short video about solar scams.

            Mike ( you either love or hate him ) Bolhuis gives some advice.
            Nobody can take away the fact that he is a brilliant private investigator.

            Note what the one client has to say about a COC, insurance and the amount of assistance he got from various government departments.

            This video, irrespective of the fact that they deny it, does seem to be an ad, however, the info contained is valuable.
            We all know that this industry, at the moment, is a gemors and this is like preaching to the converted, but have a squiz.


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            • Isetech
              Platinum Member

              • Mar 2022
              • 2274

              #36
              Was the ad intended to focus on the PI or the solar company or both companies

              Originally posted by Derlyn

              This video, irrespective of the fact that they deny it, does seem to be an ad
              Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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              • Isetech
                Platinum Member

                • Mar 2022
                • 2274

                #37
                Solar edge seems to be a product not promoted much in the media, but whenever I go to large sites or quality installs, I notice Solar Edge seems to be a very popular product.
                Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                • Dylboy
                  Gold Member

                  • Jun 2020
                  • 777

                  #38
                  I like solar edge, they use optimisers so Great for large sites to monitor individual panels and the biggest plus is shading or dirt won't hinder the production of the whole string but only that dirty panel.

                  It's not big on residential due to cost and ease of access I believe. Also Sunsynk is the word at the moment that they all want haha.

                  I'm now looking at off Grid solutions to not be grid tied to avoid all the issues if possible. How ever it seems a bit futile as a hybrid just does it all....

                  Still need to find time to phone City Power and get more info but it all stems on if it is grid tied or not.

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                  • Dave A
                    Site Caretaker

                    • May 2006
                    • 22810

                    #39
                    An enquiry just received:

                    I live in Sunningdale and have just added solar to my house. I need CoC for the solar installation to comply with homeowners rules and would also like to have it for insurance purposes. I recently purchased the house and you guys did CoC then so i only need CoC for the solar add on. Please provide me with a quote
                    So I call the homeowner and ask who did the installation as they are supposed to issue the COC.
                    Turns out the installer is not a registered electrical contractor and tells his clients that the client must get a COC if they want one after he has installed...

                    I have advised the homeowner to tell the installer to obtain a valid COC under threat to report the installer to DoEL as someone carrying out electrical installation work without being registered as an electrical contractor.
                    Unfortunately the homeowner would not be drawn on precisely who had actually done the install.

                    And as for registering the SSEG with eThekwini Municipality - there's no plan for that to happen either, apparently.
                    Participation is voluntary.

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                    • Isetech
                      Platinum Member

                      • Mar 2022
                      • 2274

                      #40
                      Do you know of anyone who has registered a domestic SSEG?

                      Originally posted by Dave A
                      An enquiry just received:



                      So I call the homeowner and ask who did the installation as they are supposed to issue the COC.
                      Turns out the installer is not a registered electrical contractor and tells his clients that the client must get a COC if they want one after he has installed...

                      I have advised the homeowner to tell the installer to obtain a valid COC under threat to report the installer to DoEL as someone carrying out electrical installation work without being registered as an electrical contractor.
                      Unfortunately the homeowner would not be drawn on precisely who had actually done the install.

                      And as for registering the SSEG with eThekwini Municipality - there's no plan for that to happen either, apparently.
                      Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                      • GCE
                        Platinum Member

                        • Jun 2017
                        • 1473

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Isetech
                        Do you know of anyone who has registered a domestic SSEG?
                        We have registered all of our installs and had 4 quadrant meters fitted by the municipality to reap the benefit.

                        I had my system at the office registered back in 2015 and 4 quadrant meter fitted - It is why I struggle to understand why everybody seems to think it is a new thing

                        NERSA first published NRS 097-2-1 in 2010 - which was for small scale generation grid connection requirements

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                        • GCE
                          Platinum Member

                          • Jun 2017
                          • 1473

                          #42
                          Earlier on in this thread there was discussions over prosecution happening with regards to solar installs

                          I have been told on good authority that there is a case that is being taken on against a home owner for a solar install along with a wind turbine.

                          He is being prosecuted under breaking 9 different by laws

                          It also sounded like it was been taken on as a test case .I have requested that I be kept up to date with the case

                          The municipalities are all sitting around the same table and having discussions and amending bylaws - It is why the documents all appear similar

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                          • Isetech
                            Platinum Member

                            • Mar 2022
                            • 2274

                            #43
                            We have been installing backup systems since 2008.

                            Solar only really took off in June 2022, which has resulted in a massive surge in everything, the shortage of euipment, bylaws etc.

                            Where can the public read about this case ? I am sure everyone is interested to see how the case is progressing. It should be headlines in the news, a first in SA.




                            Originally posted by GCE
                            We have registered all of our installs and had 4 quadrant meters fitted by the municipality to reap the benefit.

                            I had my system at the office registered back in 2015 and 4 quadrant meter fitted - It is why I struggle to understand why everybody seems to think it is a new thing

                            NERSA first published NRS 097-2-1 in 2010 - which was for small scale generation grid connection requirements
                            Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                            • Isetech
                              Platinum Member

                              • Mar 2022
                              • 2274

                              #44
                              I am sure everyone wants to know where we can follow the case. Which municiplality, I would assume its in the Cape ?

                              I spoke to an investigator about something similar, but as he mentioned it is going to be extremely difficult to procecute.

                              Where do they start, the owner (responsible person for the elctrical installation), the person who supplie dthe system, the installer (sub contractor), the elctrician who signed off the COC ? The system manager?

                              Do they summons records of the system?

                              What happens if the system has been factory reset ?

                              How would they prove the customer has been feeding back into the grid ?

                              We can only wait and see, and if the prepaid meter applications and illegal connections hanging across our roads are anything go by, it could be years before this goes to court.

                              Lets see, due to revenue looses, maybe they are going to prioritise and target solar installations knowing the people are soft targerts who have the funds to pay fines




                              Originally posted by GCE
                              Earlier on in this thread there was discussions over prosecution happening with regards to solar installs

                              I have been told on good authority that there is a case that is being taken on against a home owner for a solar install along with a wind turbine.

                              He is being prosecuted under breaking 9 different by laws

                              It also sounded like it was been taken on as a test case .I have requested that I be kept up to date with the case

                              The municipalities are all sitting around the same table and having discussions and amending bylaws - It is why the documents all appear similar
                              Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                              • Dave A
                                Site Caretaker

                                • May 2006
                                • 22810

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Isetech
                                I am sure everyone wants to know where we can follow the case. Which municiplality, I would assume its in the Cape ?

                                I spoke to an investigator about something similar, but as he mentioned it is going to be extremely difficult to procecute.

                                Where do they start, the owner (responsible person for the elctrical installation), the person who supplie dthe system, the installer (sub contractor), the elctrician who signed off the COC ? The system manager?
                                The first case is always the toughest because it is setting a precedent. Once the precedent is set, watch the dominoes fall very quickly.
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