WHO MAY INSTALL SOLAR SYSTEMS

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  • Justloadit
    Diamond Member

    • Nov 2010
    • 3518

    #46
    Currently there is a case in court
    Small Free State town in high court battle with Eskom over use of solar energy to reduce load shedding
    We await for the ruling.
    Victor - Knowledge is a blessing or a curse, your current circumstances make you decide!
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    • Isetech
      Platinum Member

      • Mar 2022
      • 2274

      #47
      That's why I am in the process of registering all the installations we have completed and busy installing.

      The customers who choose not to register, will still get all the documentation and a copy of the byplaws etc.

      I will factory reset the units the day the project is handed over. I will also remove myself as the system manager.

      I spoke to an investigator who is dealing with water related fraud cases, he indicated that it is not as simple as one would think to procecute a domestic cusotomer.


      Originally posted by Dave A
      The first case is always the toughest because it is setting a precedent. Once the precedent is set, watch the dominoes fall very quickly.
      Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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      • Isetech
        Platinum Member

        • Mar 2022
        • 2274

        #48
        As I mentioned in another post, I hear of people complaining about the council refusing to reduce peoples monthly estmated charges.

        They just keep billing the last estimated bill, even if you have made an effort to reduce your bill by replacing all lights with LED and installed solar systems.

        The last person I spoke to indicated that the council was going to "check" their meter before they reduced the estimate. I suspect they are going to visit the site to verify if there is a solar system installed

        This is were the fight is going to start

        I have emailed the council requesting a breakdown of fines or penalities for people who have not registered SSEG's, as expected no response.

        Surely there would need to be data sheet or notice with a list of the fines for not registering an SSEG ? I have searched the council website, where I found the registrations info, however there is no breakdown of fines.

        I have also heard the council doesnt have any meter to install, even if people did want to register and benefit from the pay back tarrif

        Like the picture soalr panels on fire, just scare tactics to try get people to register.

        I dont think people realise what a huge administration problem is looming, like everything else solar related, its chaos for now.
        Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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        • Derlyn
          Platinum Member

          • Mar 2019
          • 1748

          #49
          Heard today that there's legislation in the pipeline that will force solar installers to supply SARS with the names, addresses and personal particulars of clients having pv systems installed.

          So now you must piemp on your fellow man. Glad I'm not involved in the solar side of things.

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          • Isetech
            Platinum Member

            • Mar 2022
            • 2274

            #50
            I dont have a problem with this all my customer are looking at the 125 % tax rebate, ther eis no under hand dealings

            Originally posted by Derlyn
            Heard today that there's legislation in the pipeline that will force solar installers to supply SARS with the names, addresses and personal particulars of clients having pv systems installed.

            So now you must piemp on your fellow man. Glad I'm not involved in the solar side of things.
            Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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            • Derlyn
              Platinum Member

              • Mar 2019
              • 1748

              #51
              Originally posted by Isetech
              I dont have a problem with this all my customer are looking at the 125 % tax rebate, ther eis no under hand dealings
              Somehow, I dont think SARS wants that info so that they can pay anyone any rebates.

              SARS is in the business of collecting money and nothing else. That's their mandate. Collect as much as you can.
              Why do you think SARS wants to know if you've had PV installed ? So that they can give you some money ? Give me a break !

              Easy lifestyle audit comes to mind.

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              • GCE
                Platinum Member

                • Jun 2017
                • 1473

                #52
                Originally posted by Derlyn
                Heard today that there's legislation in the pipeline that will force solar installers to supply SARS with the names, addresses and personal particulars of clients having pv systems installed.

                So now you must piemp on your fellow man. Glad I'm not involved in the solar side of things.
                You are good with conspiracy theory's , must give you credit for that

                When it comes to the actual facts - would like to know where you heard that , and where is the piece of paper that says so

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                • Derlyn
                  Platinum Member

                  • Mar 2019
                  • 1748

                  #53
                  Originally posted by GCE
                  You are good with conspiracy theory's , must give you credit for that

                  When it comes to the actual facts - would like to know where you heard that , and where is the piece of paper that says so
                  No GCE, not a conspiracy theorist, just someone who reads the news.
                  The trick is to try and decipher what's bullshit and what's not.

                  Colleen Kaufmann from Tax Consulting SA seems to know what she's talking about.

                  I have attached the article below.
                  Read the whole article and see the part about "this legislation becoming an automatic audit trigger".

                  Have a great weekend.

                  https://www.news24.com/fin24/climate...bates-20230418

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                  • GCE
                    Platinum Member

                    • Jun 2017
                    • 1473

                    #54
                    I read the article - It seems fair enough that if you want to claim then you need to have been paying tax , and if you earn sufficient to install Solar then there should have been a reasonable amount of tax paid ever year

                    We live in a country where crime pays , poachers ,corruption etc and the money is not declared , or a minimal is declared while living high live styles - It is time that they start looking for that money to prevent my taxes increasing

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                    • Derlyn
                      Platinum Member

                      • Mar 2019
                      • 1748

                      #55
                      Originally posted by GCE

                      We live in a country where crime pays , poachers ,corruption etc and the money is not declared , or a minimal is declared while living high live styles - It is time that they start looking for that money to prevent my taxes increasing
                      I agree 100% with you on the above statement.
                      That is where SARS's efforts must be concentrated.

                      The proposed legislation, however, is not targeting criminals, thieves and poachers etc.
                      It is clearly targeting those who are desperately trying to live as "normal" a life as possible under the circumstances.

                      It will be a sad state of affairs when solar installers will be forced to become Karens and provide SARS with third-party information
                      on their clients as if they are criminals.

                      Just glad I haven't jumped on that bus and put myself in that position.

                      That's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.

                      No conspiracy Brother. It's real and is happening.

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                      • DonneTrump
                        New Member
                        • Apr 2023
                        • 1

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Derlyn
                        I agree 100% with you on the above statement.
                        That is where SARS's efforts must be concentrated.

                        The proposed legislation, however, is not targeting criminals, thieves and poachers etc.
                        It is clearly targeting those who are desperately trying to live as "normal" a life as possible under the circumstances.

                        It will be a sad state of affairs when solar installers will be forced to become Karens and provide SARS with third-party information
                        on their clients as if they are criminals.

                        Just glad I haven't jumped on that bus and put myself in that position.

                        That's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.

                        No conspiracy Brother. It's real and is happening.
                        After sharing this thread with Tax Consulting SA's managing partner, he was kind enough to prepare a video explaining the legislation.

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                        • Dave A
                          Site Caretaker

                          • May 2006
                          • 22810

                          #57
                          So has News24 confused the Certificate of Compliance (issued in terms of the Electrical Installation Regulations 2009) with a Tax Compliance Certificate?
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                          • Derlyn
                            Platinum Member

                            • Mar 2019
                            • 1748

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Dave A
                            So has News24 confused the Certificate of Compliance (issued in terms of the Electrical Installation Regulations 2009) with a Tax Compliance Certificate?
                            No. They've got it right. No confusion.

                            The onus is on the person who supplies the COC for the PV installation to also act as a spy for SARS and supply them with a return containing
                            the following third-party info.

                            Tax reference number or ID number of client.
                            Address
                            Price paid for system.
                            Date of commissioning.

                            Just another question I will be asking before taking on a COC job.
                            Does the property have a PV backup system ?


                            This appears very much part of the SARS drive to ensure compliance and embrace technology for taxpayer data collection.

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                            • Isetech
                              Platinum Member

                              • Mar 2022
                              • 2274

                              #59
                              The key words...SARS is considering.

                              Like must and may and should and draft.

                              Lets see what happens, throw in the SSEG registration requirements for councils, tax rebates etc. Interesting times ahead.

                              Lets hope it doesnt ge tto he point that it pays to remove the solar rather than benefit from savings.

                              I dont understand why the councils are not jumping on the band wagon and measuring all the extra power being pumped into the grid from home owners and large industrial and commercial sites, which could also assit to reduce load shedding on bright sunny days.
                              Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                              • Isetech
                                Platinum Member

                                • Mar 2022
                                • 2274

                                #60
                                There is a back log to June for solar panels, just image how many have already been installed.

                                Considering the amount of solar panels being installed by the day and the fact that we are back up to stage 6 load shedding from this afternoon, where is all the power going from these new panels, could this be a sign that the Eskoms power problems are a lot worse than we think?

                                Why are the councils not encouraging customers to feed back into the grid, or even offering subsidies like the rest of the world?
                                Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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