BBBEE wrong

[Blurock]

One can have a high IQ and still be stupid. I know many of those.

[pmbguy]

One can have a high IQ and still be stupid. I know many of those.

That’s very true. Some people may be extremely bright, but very stupid in some aspect or another.

Despite these examples I am confident that on average dumb people are dumber than smart people and smart people are smarter than dumb people. IQ is certainly not a perfect measure of intelligence, nobody has ever claimed it is (Unless they have a very low IQ). IQ is merely a measure that to a large degree reflects intelligence, its only really used because it is one of our best measures/tests we have come up with so far to test for intelligence and its relatively uncomplicated to administer. There are many other measures available, there is the option to modify and combine a whole assortment of tests that are more fit to its application as a voting filter. Even then it will still just be a test that to a large degree measures intelligence. It won’t be perfect or fair, but it will be largely effective for purpose.

[Blurock]

There are (many) people with a high IQ that drink and drive. (potential to kill others and yourself)
There are (many) people who overestimate their driving skills and compromise themselves and others on the road.

There are people who smoke pot and destroy their brain cells.
People take drugs and do not realize the consequences on their bodies, their lives and those around them.

There are people who abuse the ones that love them.

Stupidity can not be taught. We can go on and on and on...

[wynn]

We have already had a Government of a 'qualified franchise' (Apartheid) and look where that got us, now you want to introduce another type?

I'd rather go with 'Dave's' Idea of an electorate who directly elect their representative and if they do not perform they can be recalled.

The problem with proportional representation is that the 'Cadres' only see blind loyalty to the party as their prime motivation and the electorate have to 'suck up' the appointment of useless, crooked and corrupt 'Comrades' whom they probably didn't even know about before the election.

There are already murmurings in the Eastern Cape that they want the representatives they choose to be in power representing them, not someone they never met before and don't know from Adam.

[wynn]

Government is the agency of coercion that has flags in front of its offices.

- Harry Browne

[pmbguy]

I have come to realise that I agree with much that was said in opposition to my evil plan. Even for the sake of speculative theory, any voting filter will probably be exploited to such a degree that it could, by its own devices, create the opposite of its intended goal, namely to make life better for all.

[Marq]

Your good intentions are noted but I am not sure that you should shelve your evil plan so easily, just because a couple of naysayers produced some compelling thoughts against it.

[pmbguy]

I still maintain that on a fundamental level better IQ-EQ generates better decisions in a voting process. Whether it will work in practicality as a voting filter, given political corruption, is what I have come to doubt.

[Marq]

There needs to be a completely independent IEC and audit cum public protector system that operates outside the roles of the country's politicians.
I was thinking that it should be run like the judicial processes, but then realised they are probably just as corrupt.

A proper body of upright and uptight people with high IQ-EQ's and lotsa bucks, that is keeper of the country's integrity, constitution and moral values, answerable to no one and able to enable and process judgement on who is and isnt eligible to run for offices available as well as put to death those who transgress. A group that just controls the overall rules in play and doesnt give a toss who is charge as long as they do the job.

Batman and Superman comes to mind and you could probably have Chuck Norris head it up. (It is my fantasy so I'll appoint who I like.)

[pmbguy]

Look if Chuck Norris is involved it will definitely work

[Dave A]

If it's any consolation, pmbguy, I agree that the results of democracy often leaves much room for improvement.

I suspect part of the challenge here is getting a better quality of candidates. The very best candidates tend not to be the ones pushing to be front of the queue.
In fact the last people we want are the people that push to the front of the queue.

The quiet voice of reason and good sense is most often quiet indeed, unfortunately.

[xcorporation]

The sole purpose of BBEEE is to take out all other races in economy.

if the entire economy is black in 100 year time. that would means all other cultures would have evaporated by then to hazardous conditions.
Exit strategy would be simple ... There is none purely because other culture foreighners would rehabitate south africa once bbeee is gone. so they want those blocked; like mugabe currently does.

[wynn]

other culture foreighners would rehabitate south africa once bbeee is gone.

Aah the Chinese will recolonize Africa by default as they are subtly doing already.

Confucius he say, "Why should a continent with so much resources be left in the control of such IDIOTS when within a few years we can be the silent majority and simply take over. and we won't even compromise our own population"

[pmbguy]

I bet Zheng He is jealous of his current successors whist turning in his grave at Zutang Mountain, ball-less and all.

[Blurock]

My experience is that BEE does not work. If I look at successful black business people, I realise that they have made it through hard work and dedication, not because of handouts and empowerment. There were even black millionaires in the apartheid era. They did not wait for things to happen, they made it happen!

I know of a business owner who started out selling fruit and veg door-to-door. Today he is a successful entrepreneur who also exports to other African countries.

On the other hand, those that have benefited from their political connections can not sustain their ill gotten positions and riches and soon lose everything through mismanagement and squander. The sad thing is that they pull other people down with them.

We talk about the scars of apartheid, but the scars of BEE can be much more severe!