South African Omicron

[Derlyn]

Well, well, well.

As from Dec 24th 2021, according to the NICD ( document attached ) no more quarantining for both vaxxed and unvaxxed.

No more testing needed unless you have symptoms.

This can only mean 2 things.

1) Someone has come to their senses and realized that asymptomatic transmission of any respiratory disease only exists in Tony Fauci's imagination and was one of the biggest lies told by him for scaremongering purposes and nothing else.

2) The PCR test does not work and should be chucked on the junkheap where it belongs.

Slowly, slowly the truth is officially coming out.

Enjoy the holidays

Peace out .. Derek.

https://www.nicd.ac.za/revision-to-contact-tracing-quarantine-and-isolation-protocols/

[GCE]

Well, well, well.

As from Dec 24th 2021, according to the NICD ( document attached ) no more quarantining for both vaxxed and unvaxxed.

No more testing needed unless you have symptoms.

This can only mean 2 things.

1) Someone has come to their senses and realized that asymptomatic transmission of any respiratory disease only exists in Tony Fauci's imagination and was one of the biggest lies told by him for scaremongering purposes and nothing else.

2) The PCR test does not work and should be chucked on the junkheap where it belongs.

Slowly, slowly the truth is officially coming out.

Enjoy the holidays

Peace out .. Derek.

https://www.nicd.ac.za/revision-to-c...ion-protocols/

The assumptions being made in the above statement are typical anti-vax, conspiracy theorist, twisting of the science behind the reasons.
The anti vax section of the population continue making the most noise as the the balance have realized that common sense and following the science cannot be bought and shared.

The point behind the previous quarantine and isolation was to prevent the pressure, on hospitals and especially ICU wards, has changed with this particular variant as shown by the cases vs hospital admissions.
The asymptomatic cases have exceeded the symptomatic cases due to vaccine and immunity from previous or combination of the 2 , for now.

To continue shutting down departments and workplaces when the infectious stage has been past before finding out the person has covid makes no sense and it is up to each individual to play safe and protect others . This narrative has now been recognized and allowed for relaxation of previous isolation rules.

The continued PCR tests which tie up doctors and lab technicians that could be rather spent diagnosing other problems like diabetes , hiv , TB and cancer makes sense when there are quick tests that can produce the same results with quicker turn around times available.
These tests have now been found to be reasonable accurate and so the change in testing ,which as mentioned previously on this forum is being used extensively in the UK, makes sense.

The transmission of covid via aerosol droplets is still a proven fact which is why the wearing of masks in closed spaces and ventilation are still punted to be the main non medical intervention in the arsenal against covid.

Anybody that still believes that this disease does not exist and will not be serious when contracting it obviously lives with the ostrich effect

Nobody knows what effect it is going to have on them until they get it and hopefully the viral load is low and recovery quick. Those that have been exposed to high viral loads will tell you about the longer lasting effects of tiredness , memory loss , concentration loss and tingle fingers .

We went through the process with an employee over the long weekend with a test and a friend ( Lucas ) the previous week. Both had slight symptoms, throat , tiredness and cough for a day or 2
Both recovered without hospitalization and both glad that they had been double jabbed
Used the 5 days prior to feeling symptoms and the 2 days prior being infectious which seemed to work effectively in identifying possible cases and then just used the 5 days being careful when around others .

We all need to be careful and follow the necessary steps so life can continue

As the time passes and the scientist learn more so the rules will change and we can be thankful that at least our government is listening to the science finally and not a political whim but with that said I would not want to be in any of there shoes making decisions.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing .

I will continue listening to the virologists that obtain degrees from recognized learning institutions vs the virologists that obtained their degrees from the University of Facebook.

[Derlyn]

The assumptions being made in the above statement are typical anti-vax, conspiracy theorist, twisting of the science behind the reasons.
The anti vax section of the population continue making the most noise as the the balance have realized that common sense and following the science cannot be bought and shared.

I will continue listening to the virologists that obtain degrees from recognized learning institutions vs the virologists that obtained their degrees from the University of Facebook.

One needs to be careful not to confuse education and intelligence.

Any number of degrees does not prevent one from being an idiot or behaving like one.

Cheers and peace out .. Derek.

[adrianh]

GCE

A ZEN parable:
The toilet was overflowing.
No matter how many times the student tried to unclog the toilet it continued to stubbornly overflow all over the monastery.
The student went to the master and said "Master, the toilet will now not clear....it continues to overflow all over the monastery"
The master said "the mind of the toilet is blocked - only the toilet can free its own mind"

[ians]

After all this time ... we finally had the virus in the house ... I must admit I was a little concerned for my daughter who was in close contact with my wife and I ... the doctor did keep in contact to get updates on her health during this period ... as he indicated during the first call ... it would be highly unlikely that she would show severe symptoms or get really sick ... but just out of concern we monitored her daily.

I isolated for the 10 days purely as a precaution and concern for my customers safety ... it seems a waste 10 days and a loss of revenue for nothing.

As I have mentioned before ... I am started to wonder if I actually needed to be doubled jabbed ... I am wondering why tests were not carried out prior to me being jabbed and the jab not given to someone else who needed it.

As one person pointed out to me ... his work is trying to force him to get the jab .. he is totally against it and none of his family have had the jab ... they are telling him that it because of underlying issue that he should have the jab ... his response "show me the underlying issues you refer to and then I might consider it" ... he is fit and healthy.

The only 2 people I know of who died recently ... both were super fit and healthy and both died of a heart attack a couple of weeks after the jab ... was it the jab ... we will never know.

The reality is that friends and family have already died from this virus ... however it is going to be interesting to see feedback in years to come.

Here is something else to consider ... my wife and daughter are super careful ... and do everything by the book ... wear masks all the time while out in public ... social distance ... wash hands all the time ... she even has a bottle in the car which she uses every time she gets in and out of the vehicle ... even works from home since the lockdown started ... who gets sick and tested positive ... not the person who doesnt give rats ass for the mask ... wash my hands when they get dirty ... and work in close contact to a lot of people everyday all day ... filling out books and delivery notes and invoices and learning on counters ... touching products being handed from one person to the next ...etc etc etc.

[adrianh]

When the Titanic was about to sink some took action and tried to herd people to the lifeboats and get the lifeboats off the ship. MANY OF THEM DIED TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE...
Many people just stood around complaining about having to go down dark stairwells whilst skirting people going in the opposite direction and they also complained about having to step over dead bodies....MANY SURVIVED....

I tip my hat to the 1st group!

There is a fundamental lesson in all of this: When the $h!t hits the fan...as it does in wars / holocausts / pandemics etc a number of people will just step aside and take no active part. They will complain throughout and when the battle is over they will declare that they were right all along irrespective of the outcome.

I am always intrigued by the "But what about them" argument.... It is interesting how people try to negate their own responsibilities using this flawed argument.
We have a choice in life: We can step up and try to get others to the lifeboats or we can just stand around complaining....

The way I see it:
I am the guy that will run into the burning house to rescue the kid because that is my nature...whilst many will stand around complaining about the quality of their selfies - that is their nature.

This reminds me of the army - there are always people who do nothing but complain no matter what is happening. They are most likely to survive (or get shot in the back)...not because the fought a good battle but because they stuck their head in the sand.

The bottom line to the entire debate comes down to this question: (Star Trek)
Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? :
The Covid vaccine debate shows that a minority have no regard for the needs of the many by stepping aside and blaming the many for whatever the outcome. (Although they are they themselves are part of The Many)

[Derlyn]

I will continue listening to the virologists that obtain degrees from recognized learning institutions vs the virologists that obtained their degrees from the University of Facebook.

Believe it or not, I also listen to virologists with degrees from recognized learning institutions, however, I go one step further.

I only listen to those who have practical experience as well.

I only listen to those who have themselves treated thousands of rona patients successfully
with virtually no hospitalizations necessary and no mortalities.

They are doctors like Ellapen Rapiti from Cape Town, Shankara Chetty from Port Edward, Peter Mcculough and Vladimir Zelenko from accross the waters.

If anyone deserves medals for lightening the burden on hospitals, it's doctors like the one's mentioned above.

These doctors also all have another thing in common. Even with their huge successes, they have been removed from youtube and facebook. You see, their treatment protocols do not include vaccines, so they are not needed. They all agree that a pandemic cannot be vaccinated away.

Another misconception trying to be peddled here is that unvaxxed people are a small minority. That's just a plain lie. Less than 40% of SA's population has received at least one vooma shot. Fully vaxxed you looking at 35%. Who is the minority now ?

It really doesn't help listening to some academic professor, with all the titles, sitting in an office somewhere, not treating one patient, wondering when his/her next Pfizer paycheck is gonna be in the mail.

Oh, and when your toilet's blocked, here's a bit of free advice, get a plumber and forget about those oke's in the monestary. They no good at unblocking toilets.

Peace out .. Derek

Just thought I'd add this to prove my point. Actually less then 30% vaxxed. Grand total of 26,6% so far.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+vaccinations+in+south+africa&oq=how+many+vaccinations&aqs=chrome.2.0i20i263i512j69i57j0i512l8.20949j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Derlyn]

The Covid vaccine debate shows that a minority have no regard for the needs of the many by stepping aside and blaming the many for whatever the outcome. (Although they are they themselves are part of The Many)

Stop peddling lies. A quick search will show you that only 26,6% of the population has been fully vaxxed. Clearly the vaxxed are a minority.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+vaccinations+in+south+africa&oq=how+many+vaccinations&aqs=chrome.2.0i20i263i512j69i57j0i512l8.20949j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Peace out .. Derek

[adrianh]

LoL....
Shame man...

So much smug ranting and raving and abuse and fringe nonsense yet you haven't been able to convince anybody of your point of view.

Derailed thread after thread after thread....flushed down the same smug sewer....NOT A SINGLE person convinced to change their mind and back your view....NOT ONE...NADA...

LoL...
Shame man...

[Derlyn]

Lol. Only about 73% of SA's population backs my point of view.

Quite impressive, I'd say. 😁😁😁

Toodledoo.

[adrianh]

LoL....who are you trying to convince...

Strange argument...given that 80% of the population didn't pass matric, don't have a job, demand handouts and always vote for the same useless political party.

So you are saying that you side with the majority in this country - LoL.... now that is really funny!!!

[Derlyn]

An old trick. You will have to try better.
You cannot beat me on facts so now you start with the insults as usual.

Just admit you either made a mistake or were you intentionally lying to try and push your agenda ? It's always advisable to first make sure of the facts before blurting them out here in the open and making a fool of yourself.

Anyway it's 8 PM and I have more important things to do than chat to a flip flopper.

Toodledoo.

[adrianh]

LoL - The anti-vaxxer is in full swing tonight...

Have another bottle of Brandy and when you wake up at lunch time come back and waffle on and on and on.....

You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...

After all the noise and waffle and insults....just a lot of noise...

You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...
You have failed to convince a SINGLE person of your views NOT ONE... NADA...

[Derlyn]

73% 👍👍👍and not a liar or a fool.

[Derlyn]

Remember. I,m backed by 73%. Dont need no more. 😁😁😁😁