Valid COC?

[murdock]

maybe he is knows that you now have to pay for the inspection by the AIA or DOL and is hoping you will not want to pay the costs...rather just fix it and be done.

unfortunately this has been the case with most of my customers they dont want to go through the hassle of an investigation...so they just accept the illegal COC and move on...problem comes in when it is time to sell...they expect you to issue a coc...then when you remind them about the illegall COC...they turn around and ask you why you didnt fix all the problems as their electrician...i tell them them because they didnt give me an instruction to repair....suddenly you become the enemy...you cant win.

[Sparks]

I just returned to PE last night. The DOL inspector Vincent as well as the GEIA AIA Warren both did a cursory inspection. They have both taken notes and photographs. I have sent them a letter of confirmation that they were on site and found the installation non compliant as was requested. I also intend sending them a complete list of all the discrepancies.

I am however dissappointed that they already know of the illegal operations of Mr J Bornman of Volta Electrical. Apparemtly he has already been reported.
I am also delving into what I can find in the CPA. Another route I am considering is having the Child Protection Unit investigate his reckless endangerment of a minor.

[Leecatt]

nothing wrong with that its not part of the installation because its plugged in

6.16.1.1 Fixed appliances do not form part of the electrical installation
other than their positioning in relation to the supply and the wiring carried
out between different parts of the appliances.

I always believed that the plug-top is part of the fixed appliance and therefore the wiring from it to the heater would be included in the COC.
Exactly the same rule can be applied to the gate motor which is plugged into socket outlet in the garage, it still requires a disconnecting device withing 1.5 meters of the motor.

[murdock]

6.16.1.1 Fixed appliances do not form part of the electrical installation
other than their positioning in relation to the supply and the wiring carried
out between different parts of the appliances.

I always believed that the plug-top is part of the fixed appliance and therefore the wiring from it to the heater would be included in the COC.
Exactly the same rule can be applied to the gate motor which is plugged into socket outlet in the garage, it still requires a disconnecting device withing 1.5 meters of the motor.

i would like to see you put this into practise...

[Leecatt]

i would like to see you put this into practise...

I dont understand, I do put this into practice. Maybe I am misunderstanding your reply, could you expand on your comment.

[murdock]

I dont understand, I do put this into practice. Maybe I am misunderstanding your reply, could you expand on your comment.

you may abide by the rule...as i am sure most of the people active on this forum do...it trying to enforce...when broken by others...which could prove to be the challenge.

[Sparks]

I always believed that the plug-top is part of the fixed appliance and therefore the wiring from it to the heater would be included in the COC.
Exactly the same rule can be applied to the gate motor which is plugged into socket outlet in the garage, it still requires a disconnecting device withing 1.5 meters of the motor.

Garage to gate, 20+meters, you might want to look again at the use of "flexible" cable as part of the "installation"

[murdock]

the twin flex used from the 12 volt transformer normally has quite a volt drop...especially as you mentioned 20 -30 metres away...12 volt gate motor covered by coc?

[Leecatt]

Garage to gate, 20+meters, you might want to look again at the use of "flexible" cable as part of the "installation"

I was researching for another question and have become aware of some rules I have overlooked previously.
I have started another thread regarding this

However flexible cable may not form part of an installation because of the following clause:

6.3.2 Construction
6.3.2.1 Conductors of nominal cross-sectional area exceeding 2,5 mm2
shall be stranded,

I believe this to mean that conductors less than, and including 2.5mm, shall not be stranded.
All conductors in an installation must be annealed copper and i believe that cabtyre is not annealed copper.
I may be missing something here, any takers?

[murdock]

look under definitions for cords and cables

[bergie]

I was researching for another question and have become aware of some rules I have overlooked previously.
I have started another thread regarding this

However flexible cable may not form part of an installation because of the following clause:

6.3.2 Construction
6.3.2.1 Conductors of nominal cross-sectional area exceeding 2,5 mm2
shall be stranded,

I believe this to mean that conductors less than, and including 2.5mm, shall not be stranded.
All conductors in an installation must be annealed copper and i believe that cabtyre is not annealed copper.
I may be missing something here, any takers?

it doesnt mean cables 2,5 and below must be solid .that would rule out house wire. surfix and twin +earth is stranded from 4mm up in any case.
flexible cables and cords have their own set of rules.

[Leecatt]

it doesnt mean cables 2,5 and below must be solid .that would rule out house wire. surfix and twin +earth is stranded from 4mm up in any case.
flexible cables and cords have their own set of rules.

I agree, above 2.5mm they may not be solid, 2.5mm and below they may be solid or stranded.

House wire, which is a single core cable or GP wire, has strands greater in size than 0.5mm.
I hope that is correct, as then it would differentiate between single core cable and flexible cable, the strands of which are between 0.5mm and 0.3mm.
Smaller than 0.3mm and that is classified as a flexible cord.

Trying to get this right in my head as I once saw a house wires with "single core cables" in conjutes, but the strands of the cable were very fine and less than 0.5mm, much less. I see this as illegal

[AndyD]

Annealed copper is just the heating process it goes through to make it flexible. A busbar for example isn't annealed, it's what's referred to as hard-drawn copper. Cabtyre is made from stranded annealed copper.

6.3.2.1 Conductors of nominal cross-sectional area exceeding 2,5 mm2
shall be stranded,

I believe this to mean that conductors less than, and including 2.5mm, shall not be stranded.

I would disagree. I don't think that because the rule states Conductors of nominal cross-sectional area exceeding 2,5 mm2 shall be stranded, you can infer from it that conductors less than the size stated must not be stranded.

[Leecatt]

I would disagree. I don't think that because the rule states Conductors of nominal cross-sectional area exceeding 2,5 mm2 shall be stranded, you can infer from it that conductors less than the size stated must not be stranded.

Thanks Andy, yes I see that. I was trying to find a reason why cabtyre, and what I call panel wire, cannot be used to wire a house and I have pinned it down to the size of the core. Both would be classed as a cord.

[bergie]

Thanks Andy, yes I see that. I was trying to find a reason why cabtyre, and what I call panel wire, cannot be used to wire a house and I have pinned it down to the size of the core. Both would be classed as a cord.

lee, i see in 6.1.11 flexible cords (c) can be used as single cores in conduits.