To be a "Settler" or not

[Justloadit]

Political correctness makes for the prettiest of fools

In Jan in CT the president stated that SA’s problems started when Jan van Riebeeck arrived in 1652. They also publically sing songs like “shoot the Boer” in 2015 whilst blaming us for all the problems.

[NB]These are things they say in public, now imagine for a moment what they are saying behind closed doors.

You guys say that we are holding onto the past, but our government and its supporters are holding onto the past much more and with much more malice and intent.

The ANC is racist to the core, just look at their rhetoric and laws aimed directly against us, yet when we speak out we are labelled as the bad guy – politically correct madness.

Add to that, the so called voluntary BEE compliance, and the new Labour Equity act being promulgated into law this year.

I remember in the 70s, being a foreigner with permanent residence status, I was also treated with contempt, and was forced into the army, or be branded a traitor and shipped out of the country. Now a foreigner who hardly spoke Afrikaans, really raised the flag of contempt and treated as such. How the wheel turns, now still feel in a similar situation for being a mlungo.

[pmbguy]

Sure but just because one or two BAFOONS make these stupid comments does not mean that we all have to follow our stupid leader. We also have to acknowledge that he is a complete idiot and always puts his foot in his mouth all the time. We have to move on and try from our own personal perspectives to make things work.

The thing is that it’s not just the president who feels this way towards us. The majority of both the poor and the black elite feel exactly the same. You should hear what they talk about on their radio stations –shocking! They don't even worry about hiding their intensions.

I agree that we, form our side, must try and make things better, but no amount of good intension can turn the tide against their ill intension. In fact our passivity allows them even greater freedom to destroy.

[pmbguy]

Guys I am not a supporter of apartheid, it was wrong. BUT our government is just as bad, if not worse.

[HR Solutions]

Sure I agree with you, but we cannot sit back and do nothing - we have to forge ahead and fight for the party that you feel is the party you want. The Western Cape is typical - the DA is solidly intrenched there. It is well run and well managed, so if this feeling can spread then things will change slowly. It will take time but they have not given up and they are proud of Cape Town.

In every country around the world they have problems and the grass is not always greener on the other side.

[pmbguy]

The grass is so green in SA because of the ample fertiliser from the corpses of our people. Jeez that's dark, but it is what it is. Look I still enjoy my braai and beer and I fish and travel, but I refuse to downplay the problem any longer.

[HR Solutions]

The grass is so green in SA because of the ample fertiliser from the corpses of our people. Jeez that's dark, but it is what it is. Look I still enjoy my braai and beer and I fish and travel, but I refuse to downplay the problem any longer.

Yeah I do understand you and as they say SA is not for sissies ..... but this topic is slightly different to the topic that was originally posted at the beginning of this thread.

[Blurock]

I see the problem not as black or white, but the racist policies of our current government. The president and his cronies are hanging on a-la-Mugabe style and have infiltrated all walks of society to cover up their corruption and to stay in power. Corruption is a crime against the people of your country and boils down to treason. The money stolen from the public to expand homesteads, buy cars and splurge on overseas trips etc is preventing our children from getting a decent education. It is preventing the maintenance of existing infrastructure (Escom, Water, roads, services) and it is obstructing new developments.

The people are getting fed-up and more citizens are joining other political parties to the left and to the right of the spectrum. This may be a good thing as people learn to think for themselves and not to follow like sheep.

There is still a lot of goodwill among races as can be seen at sports venues and especially when our national teams perform. Business people interact on a daily basis as only the colour of money counts, not the colour of your skin or your political affiliation. We need to build on that and not be influenced by the crap spoken by the politicians of all the different parties. Politicians only serve and promote their own interests.

The past is gone and can never come back. Let's move forward and together build a new South Africa where we can all live in peace. Where the people select their chosen representatives who serve their communities. Not to be represented by someone appointed by the party. Let the people rule!

[pmbguy]

Yeah I do understand you and as they say SA is not for sissies ..... but this topic is slightly different to the topic that was originally posted at the beginning of this thread.

I am picking up on what I believe Jan was attempting to articulate.

The ANC referring to us as settlers is a way to single us out as outsiders. This links in with the van Riebeeck statements. By implication they are saying we are not true South Africans which is a way to try and justify even harsher laws etc against us and paints us as the enemy responsible for the problems of the country.

[pmbguy]

The past is gone and can never come back. Let's move forward and together build a new South Africa where we can all live in peace. Where the people select their chosen representatives who serve their communities. Not to be represented by someone appointed by the party. Let the people rule!

I appreciate your sentiments, but the problem is that your sentiments do not resonate with the majority. Africa produces despotic banana republics and the people will follow blindly regardless (African history testifies to this). Our reason and good will cannot change this.

[Justloadit]

The propaganda machine is hard at work for the upcoming elections.
The way to unite the people is to give them a common enemy. The ANC has been extremely successful at this, every time that they feel that the support is beginning to move away, they bring in another racist statement, to which the population thrives to hear, as they are looking for an enemy to attack, to compensate for the lack of enrichment in their lives. This can be seen recently with the xenophobic attacks on foreign owned spaza shops. The murder of a teenager was the spark.

This is a dangerous game the ANC is playing out, and it will get out of control, because the population is extremely unsettled at the moment, and pretty soon another round of violent attacks will occur, as the population begins to feel the pinch with the lack of power from ESKOM affecting jobs and income. There will be a lot of collateral damage, and as the propaganda machine chugs along, more violent attacks are going to take place against this perceived enemy. The problem though, is that once the violence starts, it does not simply stop, but will continue to the point of another Marikana.

The time will then be ripe for an extremist left take over. A very dangerous time ahead in deed.

[Blurock]

I appreciate your sentiments, but the problem is that your sentiments do not resonate with the majority. Africa produces despotic banana republics and the people will follow blindly regardless (African history testifies to this). Our reason and good will cannot change this.

The problem is a political one as Justloadit correctly stated. His post is spot - on and the result of the current government's policies will be total anarchy as we are already seeing.

[wynn]

To commit the perfect crime you must have a 'Patsy' someone to take the fall.

I feel sorry for JZ because he is the 'Patsy' for the thieving going on behind the headlines.

He can make no decisions of his own and is basically guided by the NEC as the collective that makes all the important decisions.
He has been thrown an Nkandla bone as well as a few other deals for his family (which will probably eventually be taken back) while the rest of the elite run off with the best part of the misspent R30Billion behind the smoke and mirrors.

An example: The few million he was supposed to have received (a la Shaik) compared to the multi millions involved in the 'Armsgate'.

Mbeki even tried to throw him under the bus but failed when the NEC decided that JZ was a more malleable Patsy than Mbeki would ever be.

[JanChris]

(I am picking up on what I believe Jan was attempting to articulate.)

Thanks pmbguy, at least someone was able to understand my original post. To the other posts regarding this topic, thanks for an open honest discussion regarding the issues we ALL have today after we were promised a "Better South Africa for all"

[AndyD]

I see the problem not as black or white, but the racist policies of our current government........

I see the problem as a capitalist one. Capitalism is an adversarial system where there's winners and losers. It works well in countries where the percentage of losers is far smaller than it is here and those countries can afford a safety net in the form of financial handouts, decent health care, dental care, free education etc so nobody goes hungry or unnecessarily sick. It's easy for politicians to dress the problem as a race issue when there's a higher proportion of whites who are sucessful with a high standard of living.

Taking the point further this forum which promotes and assists business is perpetuating the racism by its very nature

[pmbguy]

The greatest threat to all business in SA is our racist government.