To be a "Settler" or not

[pmbguy]

So its not racist that our president sings about killing us? So their policies are not racist? So if you are black you cannot be racist and if you white and you accuse black people of racism you are perpetuating racism? Am I correct here Andy, is this your logic?

[Blurock]

I see the problem as a capitalist one. Capitalism is an adversarial system where there's winners and losers. It works well in countries where the percentage of losers is far smaller than it is here and those countries can afford a safety net in the form of financial handouts, decent health care, dental care, free education etc so nobody goes hungry or unnecessarily sick. It's easy for politicians to dress the problem as a race issue when there's a higher proportion of whites who are sucessful with a high standard of living.

Taking the point further this forum which promotes and assists business is perpetuating the racism by its very nature

I fail to see how risking one's own money, plus that of your investors, to start a business which creates jobs and opportunities to people who want to work can be racist. By starting a business one can spread wealth. Capitalism has advanced the developed world. It can also advance the third world if there is a will to work. Unfortunately greed and unscrupulous politicians are responsible for corruption which is leading to an ever increasing wealth gap. I still maintain that "top brass" are being paid too much. Take Eskom as a case in point; The salaries of the directors and group executives in 2014 amounted to R60 million (up from R57 million the previous year), of which R24.4 million went to its top three executives. Since load-shedding began in 2008, Eskom’s top brass has received a staggering R63 million in performance bonuses. In 2012 and 2013 alone, the nine members of the Eskom Board received R31 million in vested “performance shares”.

[HR Solutions]

This is a topic that goes nowhere ! And is not beneficial at all. Whatever someone says there will always be many that disagree. So what really is the point ?

[Blurock]

This is a topic that goes nowhere ! And is not beneficial at all. Whatever someone says there will always be many that disagree. So what really is the point ?

The point is that one can have a defeatist nature, or get off your backside and do something for yourself and for your community. To bitch and moan gets us nowhere. How many positive things have we done today? Just thanking the garbage man for cleaning our streets is a positive action which costs nothing, but makes a difference in his life. I am sure you can all think of better ideas - so lets go!
(not following lying politicians blindly is another positive action)

[HR Solutions]

Yes that is my opinion as well Blurock - it is pointless always complaining how hard done by you are ! Do something about it !

[adrianh]

Yes that is my opinion as well Blurock - it is pointless always complaining how hard done by you are ! Do something about it !

reminds me...I asked a guy standing on a street corner why he doesn't get a job...He told me that standing on the street corner "collecting" money was his job. Some people actually think that they are doing something when they complain all the time.

[JanChris]

Take some time and have a look at FW de Klerk's 25 year release Mandela speech and what he is saying about our current government. Every white South African older than about 45 years who lived in SA benefitted from the "Apartheid" government. Many of those same people (who conveniently would not admit it now) try and create an impression that they were part of the the pioneers in stopping the "regime". I am not condoning apartheid at all, I am saying that we (all races) should not have the "Ostrich syndrome" and believe everything will be Ok, because if we (voters) do nothing about it, we will be like most of Africa. I so want to be proven wrong!!!! This is a very interesting topic of discussion and we can't just wish these issues away. Yes, we need to get off OUR asses and work hard and I am pleased to see that you say "WE". NB: I provide a skills program supported by government and I get a diverse feedback from black kids age around 22 years. You will be very supprised to hear there views about the current situation.

[adrianh]

So what do you propose....other than just making a lot of noise and going round and round in circles?

My view of the situation is that my family and I will go where we feel comfortable. We are quite happy here at the moment, the business is going ok and the kids are in a good school. Yes we could do better elsewhere or maybe not. If the kids feel the urge to study in Australia or anywhere else in the world then they are welcome to do so. Hell, we might even move to Australia to get away from all the whinging South Africans.

[HR Solutions]

Take some time and have a look at FW de Klerk's 25 year release Mandela speech and what he is saying about our current government. Every white South African older than about 45 years who lived in SA benefitted from the "Apartheid" government. Many of those same people (who conveniently would not admit it now) try and create an impression that they were part of the the pioneers in stopping the "regime". I am not condoning apartheid at all, I am saying that we (all races) should not have the "Ostrich syndrome" and believe everything will be Ok, because if we (voters) do nothing about it, we will be like most of Africa. I so want to be proven wrong!!!! This is a very interesting topic of discussion and we can't just wish these issues away. Yes, we need to get off OUR asses and work hard and I am pleased to see that you say "WE". NB: I provide a skills program supported by government and I get a diverse feedback from black kids age around 22 years. You will be very supprised to hear there views about the current situation.

This is quite a lot of saying things, with not much meaning, so I am going to attempt to give my answer.

Yes we were part of the old "regime" .... so yes we were part of the change in some form.

Yes WE all need to get off our asses, including those that don't get off their asses and sit and complain about it all the time without doing something about it (I think we have said this already)

Good to hear you provide a "skills" program. A lot of us all do our bit for society and giving back from spending days working at a rape crisis centre to helping to teach orphans to read and write to supporting the local spca. I feel it is all of our duties to give back. we don't need to advertise this to the whole world, personally I feel that you should give back as much as you can - this is us all doing our thing for the country in our own little way

[wynn]

move to Australia to get away from all the whinging South Africans.

And learn to live in a 'Nanny State' with a bunch of 'Whining Ozzies'

[JanChris]

So what do you propose....other than just making a lot of noise and going round and round in circles?

My view of the situation is that my family and I will go where we feel comfortable. We are quite happy here at the moment, the business is going ok and the kids are in a good school. Yes we could do better elsewhere or maybe not. If the kids feel the urge to study in Australia or anywhere else in the world then they are welcome to do so. Hell, we might even move to Australia to get away from all the whinging South Africans.

When you leaving? South Africa is not for sissies! Not all have it as good as your family so from what point of view are you speaking?

[adrianh]

And learn to live in a 'Nanny State' with a bunch of 'Whining Ozzies'

That is exactly why we're still here. The wife n kids have been on my case to move for the past 2 years.

[adrianh]

When you leaving? South Africa is not for sissies! Not all have it as good as your family so from what point of view are you speaking?

Well then, if South Africa is not for sissies then you should stop whinging like a girl and do something for yourself.

Having it "good" is a state of mind, nothing else. You will be surprised at how good you have it as soon as you stop comparing yourself to others.

You choose not to have it "good" because you choose to whinge all the time.

[pmbguy]

A few months ago I rather seriously considered leaving for OZ... but then I remembered that there is no bass fishing to be had, so I am not going anywhere.

I love South Africa and that’s Why I am staying and saying something is really wrong. Not talking about it frankly allows the very things we all know are destroying damn near everything.

Business in SA should stand up to government more... applying pressure on them more and more, but not breaking their laws, cleverly. Clearly government would react more as intelligent resistance grows and we will have problems, but consider this: What will be the consequences if we do nothing now while we have a hand to play?

[HR Solutions]

When you leaving? South Africa is not for sissies! Not all have it as good as your family so from what point of view are you speaking?

If you are one of those people that does "not have it as good as his family" ......Please tell me what YOU are doing about it ? And please don't reply with a gripe or a moan or a question back to me. My question is aimed at you and I am interested to know what Janchris is doing for himself to better himself so that he can walk into an interview, have the qualifications, have the experience and companies will JUMP at hiring you. And once again I ask you not to tell me that will not happen for a white person, because it DOES happen.